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Robbie (Forum Supporter)
Robbie (Forum Supporter) MegaDork
9/30/21 8:27 a.m.

Yeah ok but those would be primarily fwd. I was thinking you'd really probably have to be rwd to count as "mid engine".

But what is a hatchback?

gumby
gumby Dork
9/30/21 8:38 a.m.
Robbie (Forum Supporter) said:
But what is a hatchback?

Ah, semantics. This could go on forever! wink

nocones
nocones UberDork
9/30/21 10:27 a.m.

Shots fired..

AngryCorvair (Forum Supporter)
AngryCorvair (Forum Supporter) MegaDork
9/30/21 10:33 a.m.

In reply to nocones :

By extension of that definition, is there  no mid-engine? If in front of that line is front-engine, then behind that line is rear engine. 

Robbie (Forum Supporter)
Robbie (Forum Supporter) MegaDork
9/30/21 10:45 a.m.
AngryCorvair (Forum Supporter) said:

In reply to nocones :

By extension of that definition, is there  no mid-engine? If in front of that line is front-engine, then behind that line is rear engine. 

wheel*base* centerline. ie middle of the car. 

gumby
gumby Dork
9/30/21 10:58 a.m.

In reply to nocones :

That is an SCCA mod class style definition, in which case X71 is still front engine.

This is not a hill I choose to die on; the sight line from the driver's seat is terrible laugh

bobzilla
bobzilla MegaDork
9/30/21 11:39 a.m.
gumby said:

In reply to nocones :

That is an SCCA mod class style definition, in which case X71 is still front engine.

This is not a hill I choose to die on; the "sight line" from the driver's seat is terrible laugh

ftfy

AngryCorvair (Forum Supporter)
AngryCorvair (Forum Supporter) MegaDork
9/30/21 11:43 a.m.
Robbie (Forum Supporter) said:
AngryCorvair (Forum Supporter) said:

In reply to nocones :

By extension of that definition, is there  no mid-engine? If in front of that line is front-engine, then behind that line is rear engine. 

wheel*base* centerline. ie middle of the car. 

Right. If any engine in front of that wheelbase centerline is front engine, then why is any engine behind that centerline not rear engine? Using a centerline as a demarcation implies only two possible categories.

gumby
gumby Dork
9/30/21 11:48 a.m.

In reply to AngryCorvair (Forum Supporter) :

SCCA agrees with your logic. In EM a front engine car must remain front engine, defined by no part of the block or cylinder head behind the wheelbase centerline. Rear or mid engine cars can flip the drivetrain so long as no part of the block or cylinder head ends up ahead of the wheelbase centerline. Therefore rear is rear, and mid is still rear!

bobzilla
bobzilla MegaDork
9/30/21 11:53 a.m.
Robbie (Forum Supporter) said:

Yeah ok but those would be primarily fwd. I was thinking you'd really probably have to be rwd to count as "mid engine".

But what is a hatchback?

More importantly the Ridgeline is not a truck.

Robbie (Forum Supporter)
Robbie (Forum Supporter) MegaDork
9/30/21 12:21 p.m.
AngryCorvair (Forum Supporter) said:
Robbie (Forum Supporter) said:
AngryCorvair (Forum Supporter) said:

In reply to nocones :

By extension of that definition, is there  no mid-engine? If in front of that line is front-engine, then behind that line is rear engine. 

wheel*base* centerline. ie middle of the car. 

Right. If any engine in front of that wheelbase centerline is front engine, then why is any engine behind that centerline not rear engine? Using a centerline as a demarcation implies only two possible categories.

I have middle fingers but more than 2 categories of fingers... 

maschinenbau
maschinenbau UltraDork
9/30/21 12:26 p.m.

I guess I made this bed so I'll E36 M3 in it.

gumby
gumby Dork
9/30/21 12:52 p.m.
Robbie (Forum Supporter) said:
I have middle fingers but more than 2 categories of fingers... 

I don't care who you are, that's funny right there.

AnthonyGS (Forum Supporter)
AnthonyGS (Forum Supporter) SuperDork
9/30/21 9:40 p.m.

In reply to Lof8 - Andy :

Given the output from my 4age, I'm willing to take on quite a bit of risk.

Mr_Asa
Mr_Asa PowerDork
9/30/21 9:47 p.m.
Robbie (Forum Supporter) said:
maschinenbau said:

I've always thought front-mid meant the engine is entirely behind the centerline of the front wheels. Otherwise basically every front engine car could be construed as mid-engined. But that's just like, my opinion man.

Do we know of any cars where the engine is more than half in front of the front wheel centerline?

My truck, maybe.  Long engine is long.

Trucks and I6s might be cheating, though.

Floating Doc (Forum Supporter)
Floating Doc (Forum Supporter) PowerDork
10/1/21 4:42 a.m.
Mr_Asa said:
Robbie (Forum Supporter) said:
maschinenbau said:

I've always thought front-mid meant the engine is entirely behind the centerline of the front wheels. Otherwise basically every front engine car could be construed as mid-engined. But that's just like, my opinion man.

Do we know of any cars where the engine is more than half in front of the front wheel centerline?

My truck, maybe.  Long engine is long.

Trucks and I6s might be cheating, though.

The original FWD Eldorado , I think. The Audi Quattro cars. Maybe Subaru.  

Pete Gossett (Forum Supporter)
Pete Gossett (Forum Supporter) MegaDork
10/1/21 5:30 a.m.
Floating Doc (Forum Supporter) said:
Mr_Asa said:
Robbie (Forum Supporter) said:
maschinenbau said:

I've always thought front-mid meant the engine is entirely behind the centerline of the front wheels. Otherwise basically every front engine car could be construed as mid-engined. But that's just like, my opinion man.

Do we know of any cars where the engine is more than half in front of the front wheel centerline?

My truck, maybe.  Long engine is long.

Trucks and I6s might be cheating, though.

The original FWD Eldorado , I think. The Audi Quattro cars. Maybe Subaru.  

DSM's

captdownshift (Forum Supporter)
captdownshift (Forum Supporter) MegaDork
10/1/21 9:45 a.m.
DjGreggieP
DjGreggieP HalfDork
10/1/21 11:03 a.m.

So, Dodge Intrepid's (and LH chassis brethren) is chaotic front?

CV shaft exits roughly where the arrow points to the downstream oxygen sensor. I'd say that's more than half of the engine in front of the front wheel centre line..

Mr_Asa
Mr_Asa PowerDork
10/1/21 6:12 p.m.
Robbie (Forum Supporter) said:

oh duh, the angrymachine, if he can get it done. 

Saw this article today.  Thought of Angry.

https://www.hagerty.com/media/maintenance-and-tech/my-corvair-needed-rescued-from-me/

AnthonyGS (Forum Supporter)
AnthonyGS (Forum Supporter) SuperDork
10/2/21 1:49 a.m.


 

only one of these might be a challenge car, but both are mid-engine.

wvumtnbkr
wvumtnbkr PowerDork
10/2/21 3:29 p.m.

Centerline of front wheels....

 

Does this count?

slowbird
slowbird UltraDork
10/4/21 11:03 a.m.

To be honest, I think weight distribution of more than 50% rear is a large part of the "mid-engine-ness" of a car. But that's just me. devil

preach (fs)
preach (fs) Dork
10/9/21 1:04 p.m.

I don't know if this should go in this thread, the rant thread, or the minor confession thread but:

After reading all the updates a la Robbie, Jackets, Gumby, nocones et al and looking forward to seeing 2021s challenge videos and pics...

My '74 914 is tempting me hard for 2022 as it is nearly complete and I am only into it for $700 so far.

I also know where I can get a 230 slk kompressor for $80 for the 914s 1.8.

It'd be tough for me to get it to FL though.

I don't know if I hate you all or love you.

noddaz
noddaz UberDork
10/9/21 2:37 p.m.
preach (fs) said:

I don't know if this should go in this thread, the rant thread, or the minor confession thread but:

After reading all the updates a la Robbie, Jackets, Gumby, nocones et al and looking forward to seeing 2021s challenge videos and pics...

My '74 914 is tempting me hard for 2022 as it is nearly complete and I am only into it for $700 so far.

I also know where I can get a 230 slk kompressor for $80 for the 914s 1.8.

It'd be tough for me to get it to FL though.

I don't know if I hate you all or love you.

Is that an invite to set up a relay to get your car to Florida and back next year?  I am sure GRM members can make this happen.  laugh

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