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Mad_Ratel
Mad_Ratel HalfDork
12/15/15 12:45 p.m.
Kenny_McCormic wrote: If you want to go really wild, you could hack up an old spark plug for a grease zerk, put a few thousand PSI to it with a grease gun, or do a similar thing with a porta power pump. It will either move or break something that way. In reply to Mad_Ratel: Not sure why, (in the flat 4 world) aside from some of the Porsche engines with pressed together roller cranks (quad cam only?), and that's a don't crank on it in either direction deal. Newer engines with timing belts and chains are a different story.

I dont recall either only that my dad freaked when he thought he'd done it backwards. Somethign to do with the timingchain and backlash of it upsetting the timing I guess.

Kenny_McCormic
Kenny_McCormic UltimaDork
12/15/15 1:28 p.m.

In reply to Mad_Ratel:

VW and Porsche flat 4s use gear drive cams, including the 4 cam engine (shaft drive).

Mad_Ratel
Mad_Ratel HalfDork
12/15/15 1:35 p.m.

the 6 is a timing chain but I see what you are pointing out that they are different.

D2W
D2W Reader
12/15/15 2:37 p.m.

Awesome project, I love anything with tracks. And as it has already been stated, talk to your local conveyor belt supplier. They will cut and splice it for you if you have the specs. If you can't find anyone PM me and I will ask my guys for a quote, though you will have to tack on shipping.

TRoglodyte
TRoglodyte SuperDork
12/15/15 6:51 p.m.

Exercise your patience by thoroughly building the Trax before you touch the motor again. Diligent patience. Conveyor belting can be cut with a razor knife and laced on a garage floor but it takes a good blade and a steady hand.Gator lacing is a start for a search to lace the belt,use stainless.Are the track tensionerS loose? Bogeys float ? Edit: Flexco gator lacing xj12NC if it is 12" wide, .12 calls out width.

2K4Kcsq
2K4Kcsq Reader
12/22/15 9:18 p.m.

Good advice from everyone. I let it sit while I was out of town for a few days, added some acetone when I got back and still nothing. Kinda worries me a little since I did get some movement out of it once and it stopped while I was going backwards.

Once the holidays are done I will be starting the literally looooooong process of cutting conveyer belting. As I said before I have all the parts, just need to cut the belting lengthwise at least 6 times

Flight Service
Flight Service MegaDork
12/22/15 10:33 p.m.

well this is something else....

2K4Kcsq
2K4Kcsq HalfDork
12/30/15 9:51 a.m.

well I held out as long as I could

I kept worrying about the missing air cleaner when the real problem was the exhaust. Weston came over and we started pulling the dog house and cylinder tin so we could get a better look. once we pulled the exhaust each was holding a substantial amount of dirty water. that's when the decision was made to pull the heads. once we got the front cylinder head off and realized the back head didn't have enough room to slide off the studs we decided to wrestle it out with a 2 man hoist. not bad once the front head is off

only one cylinder is stuck but it feels like all four. its tight enough that I bent 2 pushrods at some point, probably the day I got a slight amount of movement

Oh well. it just wouldn't be my project if there wasn't an engine rebuild involved

TRoglodyte
TRoglodyte SuperDork
12/30/15 3:45 p.m.

Yuck, at least now the guessing is over. Its HAMMER TIME.

Kenny_McCormic
Kenny_McCormic UltimaDork
12/30/15 3:47 p.m.

Seems the rain caps on the stacks were circumvented by not being mounted upright, though they aren't perfect even when upright, hence the coffee can you see on parked tractors. Probably good idea to fix that during the rebuild.

wheelsmithy
wheelsmithy HalfDork
12/30/15 6:49 p.m.

Here comes the mod part of the resto-mod, right?

2K4Kcsq
2K4Kcsq Reader
12/30/15 7:45 p.m.

So the bad news seems to get worse. Weston was talking to friends at KCW about a single port rebuild kit when Franz clued us in to the effects of standing water in a magnesium case. We pulled one cylinder and it doesn't look good in there to say the least.
I wanted to keep the original engine because it's just that, original numbers matching. But if the case is crap I might as well sell the usable 1200 parts to the formula vee guys and build a torque monster dual port on MS1.

Objections??

lrrs
lrrs Reader
12/30/15 8:30 p.m.
2K4Kcsq wrote: Objections??

None here. I am sure some torque will do it some good.

Type Q
Type Q Dork
12/30/15 8:48 p.m.

If you want to keep it looking original under the hood, put in a 1600cc single port engine. It will be a nice torque boost.

Kenny_McCormic
Kenny_McCormic UltimaDork
12/30/15 9:25 p.m.

I don't think anybody will fault you for bolting in a 1600, this isn't a split window bug.

2K4Kcsq
2K4Kcsq Reader
12/30/15 9:26 p.m.

In reply to Type Q: I have considered that for high elevation reasons. Smaller intakes tend to do better up here

2K4Kcsq
2K4Kcsq Reader
12/30/15 9:29 p.m.

In reply to Kenny_McCormic:

Good point, but I bet the kt-3 is harder to find than even a split

westypoo
westypoo New Reader
1/1/16 10:34 p.m.

ya it sucks that jay and i found what we did, but at least we know now what the issue was. once we got the motor tore down to basically a long block, the motor came out fairly easy. i think next jay needs to get the case split and truly asses the damage done to the case. once we drained the oil, there was about 3 qts of water that came out so its just not looking good for this motor. but i say best case, i think that throwing in a new set of pistons/ cylinders could get this motor running again.

2K4Kcsq
2K4Kcsq Reader
1/6/16 9:15 a.m.

Still working on the stubborn cylinder. It's beginning to look like I'll have to spit the case if I want to separate the piston/cylinder in order to atleast save the rod. The inside of the case looks to be decent. A little corrosion but not bad. Rod bearings and journals look & feel fine though I haven't measured a damn thing yet. What worries me most is what looks like jb weld on half of the case nuts. Half as in all on one side

Looking at a rebuild vs. A craigslist 1600 right now. Cost wise it's a close push if I can rebuild the heads myself. I'm personally leaning towards a rebuild just because that's the way I always do it. I guess the only thing to do today is split the case and see.

2K4Kcsq
2K4Kcsq HalfDork
1/7/16 2:17 p.m.

Yesterday was productive. Cleaned all the sludge from the bottom of the engine compartment. A mixture of leaves, sticks, dirt and gear oil. Then I finished removing all the heat insulation from the firewall since it was falling apart and looked like a fire hazard.

Then I tackled the engine. The strainer looked like it had never been cleaned and it appears to have been sucking down rust even when it last ran.

Suprisingly the case is in great shape and still measures out standard. Crank journals all measure standard size and look great considering the rust on it.

Cam is toast but no seized lifters. Looking forward to building my first flat 4

After splitting the case I was finally able to loosen the rod bolt and hammer out the stuck piston in my vice. Could have been worse.

Because the case looks fine I decided to rebuild. This morning I ordered a piston/cylinder kit from texas aircooled that will bump it up to a 1384cc and I'm going with the Engle W-90 cam. Should be a decent gain over the stock 1200 and I can still say that it's the original engine with the documentation to prove it. Mine is such a time capsule I'd like to keep it as original as I can for some strange reason. Usually I'm the guy who couldn't care less about all that. Guess I'm getting old

java230
java230 Reader
1/7/16 3:21 p.m.

Woo Hoo that's great progress!

How are the tracks coming?

2K4Kcsq
2K4Kcsq Reader
1/7/16 7:38 p.m.

In reply to java230: I just started on them this afternoon. Decided I could either waste time making a jig that might work, or I could just cut the belt as straight as I could by hand and give it a go. It's not perfect but I think it will work just fine. Here are the 4 inner drive belts cut length wise. On the left is an old section of track

Tomorrow I will cut the outer floatation belts. Should go quicker since it's about .100 thinner.

Here are some technical specs that I will be following for the most part

I'm leaning towards aluminum angle for the cleats. I can understand why it's more the industry standard on the big cats nowadays. Plus I'm betting it's cheaper than treated hickory and way less fab time. Not to mention stronger. Seems like the smart thing to do.

nocones
nocones SuperDork
1/7/16 7:48 p.m.

I will be intently watching your engine rebuild. I have a 1973 bus motor that needs rebuilt

Kenny_McCormic
Kenny_McCormic UltimaDork
1/8/16 4:06 a.m.

Question I've been meaning to ask, how does the driveline work in that?

TRoglodyte
TRoglodyte SuperDork
1/8/16 6:15 a.m.

Captain obvious here but you have looked the belting over for dry rot and overall condition? Thickness and ply construction? Hate to see you get a lot of time tied up in something that will break your heart later.

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