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Mezzanine
Mezzanine Dork
8/24/18 3:24 p.m.

Well is it an Outlaw or not?! Commercially available 180* headers should seal the deal here: start cutting. cheeky

I miss your 190 project...but this is interesting too. Carry on.

yupididit
yupididit UltraDork
8/24/18 3:42 p.m.

Where'd you sell your 190e I never saw it up for sale sad

Mezzanine
Mezzanine Dork
8/24/18 5:10 p.m.
yupididit said:

Where'd you sell your 190e I never saw it up for sale sad

It got listed here, but that was a long time ago...it was a roller if I recall correctly. I was seriously looking at dragging a trailer across the border to get that thing. I'd love to know what happened to it!

914
914 New Reader
8/24/18 8:18 p.m.

In reply to Mezzanine :

Not really sure what happened to the roller - the guy I sold it to said he wanted to put in a sr20 motor?

The drivetrain ended up in an early 70’s Corrolla which is actually a pretty cool fate. 

 

I am warming to the idea of cutting the car after listening to a few 180* V8 headers online

GTXVette
GTXVette SuperDork
8/25/18 5:30 a.m.

In reply to 914 :

it's a catchy tune.

 

Speedway makes a kit and you can Streamline the headers tighter to the block, Shoenfeld makes many different designs that also exit to both or l or r side exit,

  I am searching for a set for a big block chevy, need to be useable or repairable.  NOT SO MUCH LOOKING FOR CHEAP,I can't find Any, at all and Shoenfeld won't make any

 IF YOU LIKE A CHEVY V8 WITH 180'S WAIT TILL YOU HEAR A BIG BLOCK AT 7 GRAND

914
914 New Reader
8/26/18 12:53 a.m.

 

914
914 New Reader
8/26/18 1:24 a.m.

Dammit
Dammit Reader
8/26/18 4:28 a.m.

How heavy is a small block compared to (say) the VW group turbo four that they put in absolutely everything for a while?

 

GTXVette
GTXVette SuperDork
8/26/18 9:03 a.m.

I heard 2 guys could pick up and install a 1.8 turbo engine

I don't think you could get 6 guys in an engine bay, and with a small block too. 

sbc runs about 525 hard to get much lighter, but it can add up fast.

914
914 New Reader
8/26/18 1:53 p.m.

Maybe a little off topic but I am totally done with using any modern VW power plants in a swap. 

If I was to go the inline 4 cylinder route it would be the FAR superior Honda K series of motors.

I am still kind of shaping the plans for this car as I go... but I think a vintage V8 is going to be pretty fun - yes there are plenty of technically better choices but I don’t care.

 

Dammit
Dammit Reader
8/26/18 2:35 p.m.

I went from a Volvo with a 370 bhp turbo 2.3 I5 to a Mercedes with a 370 bhp 5.4 NA V8 - same headline power, totally different way of delivering it, I can't see myself going back to turbo-charging.

I just wondered about the VW turbo 4 as it could be seen as a descendant of the 1.7 you moved on.

A short stroke V8 would be a lot of fun I am sure.

914
914 New Reader
9/2/18 11:29 a.m.

In keeping with the low buck mandate... I picked up 2 brand new 205/50r15’s for the front and 2 almost new 215/60r15’s for the rear. $135 for all. Finding tire options in 15” is getting harder for sure these days. 

I will probably be switching out the cookie cutters for repro Fuchs at some point anyway to get the right rim widths to really fill the flares. 7 or 8” front and 9” rear would be optimal and in 16”. 17” can be had in repro’s And there are tons of tire choices but I am not sold yet on it looking right. The car for sure has to be really low or it looks kind of Donk to me.

 

914
914 New Reader
9/2/18 11:43 a.m.

Off topic but anyone looking for a nice collection of vintage car audio amps for a period correct project?

I have 4 early 90’s Alpines, 1 later Alpine and 1 2x100 oldschool Alphasonik. The only one I haven’t tested is the newer Alpine - the others all worked great.

 

$250 for the lot - selling off some of the “unnecessary collections” of stuff I have hoarded away to fund more 914 purchases. 

Medchin
Medchin New Reader
9/2/18 7:54 p.m.

Love how this is looking. My boss has a 914 with "plans" to put a 383 stroker in it  for longer than I've known him (12+ years). He has the engine which has now been in a garage fire. He has the adapter plater and like a whole swap kit he bought probably 15+ years ago that miraculously survived a flood. He's got an old 911 transaxle which he fairly recently broke when transporting the car from one long-term sitting place to another.

No forward progress as far I know has ever been made on it. Unless you count my help fiber-glassing on some ridiculously huge rear fender flares to fit the huge drag radials he plans to run and him installing a huge roof intake to funnel cooling to the engine bay. I'll have to take some pictures next time I'm over there.

Looks like this project is already a million years ahead, and might actually get finished! Can't wait to hear this mythical 8k 350 with 180-degree headers, seems like it will make a very dirty noise, in a good way.

tooms351
tooms351 Reader
9/2/18 8:53 p.m.

Those 914 v8 swaps tend to run a little warm since there really isn't any air flow. I can't see a pair of 180 headers helping that problem! Also of you plan on tracking that beast those studs will pull through a redrilled hub.

 

914
914 New Reader
9/2/18 9:25 p.m.
tooms351 said:

Those 914 v8 swaps tend to run a little warm since there really isn't any air flow. I can't see a pair of 180 headers helping that problem! Also of you plan on tracking that beast those studs will pull through a redrilled hub.

 

I used the early ‘70 hubs that have raised bosses cast into them where the 5 bolt pattern went on the 914-6’s. I have not heard of those breaking - this is just a street car anyway. 

tooms351
tooms351 Reader
9/3/18 6:12 a.m.

Those hubs are a lot stronger than what I was running and will be fine for the street, plus I had 255x16 slicks on the back. After about 5 trackday at Sebring those hubs were toast. I had a 72 with a 327 and that car could beat just about anything up to 120mph before either, it ran out of rpms or I ran out of guts lol.

GTXVette
GTXVette SuperDork
9/3/18 8:17 a.m.

Even though Nascar engines CAN spin 9 grand and use a 3.48 stroke , I never see Garage built 350's ever running 7 grand repeatedly. but for that extra $25,000 you would expect that

  HOWEVER, a 3.25 stroke can spin 7 all day long as a back yard build.

    NASCAR implemented a rule early 70's that engines have a 4" bore .030, over  and a displacement of 355 max. to stop engines like the Mighty Mouse build, aka 400 block 327 crank 

Peter Lehman of Lone Wolf Canada built it for an online project, specs,V E  flow data, hp and Tq. are all posted. we were all hanging out at Chevy High Performance Mag. back then . it made right at 600 hp at -----------.  try it you'll like it

914
914 New Reader
9/6/18 2:22 p.m.

I am leaning toward a small journal 283/327 motor currently. Will probably depend more on what comes available but that is the direction I am heading. Mostly a stockish build with headers, cam, heads and decent intake. 

 

This is is what I would really like to run - I am sure it would sound ridiculous with 180* headers. 

 

 

 

GTXVette
GTXVette SuperDork
9/6/18 2:57 p.m.

A Smokey Ram may be more affordable , with two of those itty bitty 450 4bbl's. now IF YOU DARE, Hilborn Fuel Injection set up's can be had NICE for 1400 bucks, that Weber type set up was $2500 years ago.

simon_C
simon_C Reader
9/6/18 5:31 p.m.

Could get away with doing R1 carbs on custom manifolds, or similar literbike ITBs. Could potentially be a lot cheaper than a dedicated setup. 

914
914 New Reader
9/6/18 6:51 p.m.
simon_C said:

Could get away with doing R1 carbs on custom manifolds, or similar literbike ITBs. Could potentially be a lot cheaper than a dedicated setup. 

About 5 years ago I built this tri-power efi intake set-up for an FE Ford 390 I put in a 65 Falcon. It used 3 CBR1000RR throttle bodies. 

914
914 New Reader
9/12/18 12:17 p.m.

Bought some freshly redone early SBC “power pack” Gm heads - for the 283 I don’t own yet.... Date stamp 1963. All new valves, guides, seals, aftermarket springs and aluminum retainers. $50 for the pair smiley

These were the factory upgrade (barely) heads for 283’s and early 327’s. These heads came stock on 250hp 327’s which puts them right in the power range I am looking for. Certainly better heads out there but for the price and intended power target these should be just fine. 

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