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mazdeuce - Seth
mazdeuce - Seth Mod Squad
3/1/19 7:41 a.m.

Annnnnndddd...... the R134 stayed in for two days and then pooped itself out the same O-ring as before. I guess I'll get ahold of my local Mazda dealer and see if they have a Mazda specific O-ring for that spot. 

Sonic
Sonic UltraDork
3/1/19 8:10 a.m.

Shouldn’t this all be under warranty?  The car is not very old and none of the mods impact the A/C system 

mazdeuce - Seth
mazdeuce - Seth Mod Squad
3/21/19 12:58 p.m.

I'm home and the car is home and I bought the proper Mazda O-ring which measures out exactly like an standard o-ring. Put it all back together, drew a vacuum, looks cool. Charged and.......leaking. I used an inspection mirror to poke around and I can see dye coming through the metal of the short hard line that bolts to the compressor. New part should be here tomorrow, $60. And yes, this should all be covered under warranty except I don't want to mess around with trying to get my wife and myself in the same place at the same time to drop off and pick up the car and I don't want to get in a situation where they deny something and I'm on the hook for labor. Also, I can see that the bolt on the other end of the line has had a wrench on it, so that has likely come apart at FM. Also, solving problems is kind of fun. 

More to come..........

spacecadet
spacecadet Reader
3/21/19 2:13 p.m.

OH good! at least the parts you're needing aren't terribly expensive.

Keith Tanner
Keith Tanner MegaDork
3/21/19 2:36 p.m.

Seth, please send me some pictures of that pipe when you get it off. Our guys will be interested to see what's going on. We may have snugged it up the first (and only) time it leaked on us, but I'll get the history.

Cotton
Cotton PowerDork
3/21/19 4:49 p.m.

Re: the warranty suggestions.  Have any of you guys actually had luck getting warranty coverage on cars highly modified with aftermarket parts?  I generally stay away from modifying any of my vehicles with existing warranties because of the threat they’ll be voided.

Opti
Opti Dork
3/21/19 5:40 p.m.

When I was at a large ford dealer, they were pretty cool about it. Crazy obvious stuff like a grenaded diff when you rolled in on slicks and skinnies would get denied, but I saw some highly modified STs and Mustangs, where a completely reasonable argument could be made that the mods cause the problems and they were covered.

 

I think it depends on your tech

Keith Tanner
Keith Tanner MegaDork
3/21/19 6:02 p.m.

The manufacturer can only deny warranty on modified cars if the modifications could have caused the failure. So it would be pretty hard to deny an A/C warranty claim on a turbocharged car, but if it had a transmission failure that would be a different matter.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnuson–Moss_Warranty_Act

Cotton
Cotton PowerDork
3/21/19 6:20 p.m.
Keith Tanner said:

The manufacturer can only deny warranty on modified cars if the modifications could have caused the failure. So it would be pretty hard to deny an A/C warranty claim on a turbocharged car, but if it had a transmission failure that would be a different matter.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnuson–Moss_Warranty_Act

I would imagine if the dealer determined the ac,  or parts of it,  had to be removed/reinstalled etc to install the part they could,  or might try, to make a case that contributed to the failure.   Regardless,  I was just curious what others experiences were since I generally play it safe with warranties.  

docwyte
docwyte UltraDork
3/22/19 5:33 p.m.

Ah, the MM Act.  Yeah, that’s the law.  However, when the dealer denies to fix your car you can spout the MM Act all you want to no avail.

at that point your choice is to take the car to another dealer and see if they’ll fix it, pay to fix it yourself or contact a lawyer and pay thousands to try and force the dealer to fix your car.

Been there, done that.  Don’t modify the car if you need to keep your warranty in place 

mazdeuce - Seth
mazdeuce - Seth Mod Squad
3/22/19 6:29 p.m.

Here is the offending pipe. The right end bolts to the compressor and the left end bolts to the flexible line and goes forward. The leak is associated with the right end. What it looked like with my little inspection mirror was that refrigerant was escaping through some defect or porosity is the epoxy? that bonds the tube to the end. Of course it all looks cool now so I don't know. Maybe I just got a bunch of bum O-rings? Maybe there is an issue with the hole in the compressor? We'll see. For now it blows cold enough to make my hands hurt. 

Keith Tanner
Keith Tanner MegaDork
3/22/19 9:09 p.m.
docwyte said:

Ah, the MM Act.  Yeah, that’s the law.  However, when the dealer denies to fix your car you can spout the MM Act all you want to no avail.

at that point your choice is to take the car to another dealer and see if they’ll fix it, pay to fix it yourself or contact a lawyer and pay thousands to try and force the dealer to fix your car.

Been there, done that.  Don’t modify the car if you need to keep your warranty in place 

I'm assuming you went up the chain of command to the regional rep before calling a lawyer. I've seen this even with unmodified cars.

docwyte
docwyte UltraDork
3/24/19 4:58 p.m.

In reply to Keith Tanner :

No, I took the car to another dealer and they fixed it without any issue. 

I've dealt with regional reps before and in my experience they back up the service departments of the dealers they handle.

Keith Tanner
Keith Tanner MegaDork
3/24/19 8:25 p.m.

That’s not universal, I’ve seen a denied warranty engine replacement reversed by the rep. 

mazdeuce - Seth
mazdeuce - Seth Mod Squad
3/24/19 8:35 p.m.

Either way, I didn't think this was worth it for me. Had I put dye in the system and had it come out under the dash or from the guts of the compressor, it would be a different issue. This looked like an O-ring. Then it looked like a $60 pipe that took 8 minutes to replace. These pieces looked like they had been apart before and since it's not the original engine we know it's been out. In this case I didn't think it was Mazda's responsibility. Crossing my fingers that I've got it sorted and I still feel this way in a week. As much as Mrs. Deuce likes driving with the top open, she does like AC. 

Keith Tanner
Keith Tanner MegaDork
3/26/19 11:02 a.m.

By the way - TSB 07-004/18 identifies this exact problem. There's a new part number (NA6W-61-466A) for a pipe with a thicker wall. "Engine vibration" is tagged as the reason for the failure.

mazdeuce - Seth
mazdeuce - Seth Mod Squad
3/26/19 11:21 a.m.

In reply to Keith Tanner :

I checked my receipt. 

And now we have a data point for "where did all my refrigerant go?"

bluej
bluej UberDork
3/26/19 12:32 p.m.

Jose must be a wizard partsman.

Keith Tanner
Keith Tanner MegaDork
3/26/19 1:11 p.m.

I'll bet you can't even buy the old one anymore. If you plug in the old number, the system bumps you to the new one. "A" suffix numbers mean a revised part.

Stampie
Stampie PowerDork
3/26/19 2:00 p.m.
bluej said:

Jose must be a wizard partsman.

I'm wondering what Seth did to Jose to get the almost $30 discount.

dculberson
dculberson UltimaDork
3/26/19 2:08 p.m.

In reply to Stampie :

mazdeuce - Seth
mazdeuce - Seth Mod Squad
3/26/19 2:26 p.m.
Stampie said:
bluej said:

Jose must be a wizard partsman.

I'm wondering what Seth did to Jose to get the almost $30 discount.

I told him I wanted to buy it from him because I thought buying local was better than buying online but it was $55 online. He talked to his parts manager and made it happen. Pretty rad. 

bluej
bluej UberDork
3/26/19 2:48 p.m.
mazdeuce - Seth said:
Stampie said:
bluej said:

Jose must be a wizard partsman.

I'm wondering what Seth did to Jose to get the almost $30 discount.

I told him I wanted to buy it from him because I thought buying local was better than buying online but it was $55 online. He talked to his parts manager and made it happen. Pretty rad. 

Definitely a better approach than killing his father and taking it.. wink

spacecadet
spacecadet HalfDork
3/26/19 3:19 p.m.

In reply to bluej :

*golf clap* well played. 

mazdeuce - Seth
mazdeuce - Seth Mod Squad
3/26/19 3:40 p.m.

I'd rather not be responsible for anyone's decision to study the blade. The guy is good at parts, go see Jose at Gullo Mazda. 

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