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Keith Tanner
Keith Tanner MegaDork
12/2/18 10:25 p.m.
John Welsh said:

If I remember the stories correctly, aside from growing up in the Grand Rapids area of Michigan, Seth attended college in the UP of Michigan.  I am sure that the snow had his attention but was not the worst he has seen.  

It’s not so much the conditions as the equipment in this case. Rufus was not optimized for snow use when it left FM!

Jim Pettengill
Jim Pettengill HalfDork
12/2/18 10:26 p.m.

Wow - congratulations - that's an epic day behind the wheel.  Glad you made it home OK.

bmw88rider
bmw88rider SuperDork
12/2/18 10:28 p.m.

S-Drives + Snow is not a good combo. I know betty is tucked away right now because of just that reason. 

AnthonyGS
AnthonyGS Reader
12/2/18 11:18 p.m.

In reply to mazdeuce - Seth :

Glad all the dueces are home safe and doubly glad you didn’t stop in DFW with Rufus.

wawazat
wawazat Reader
12/3/18 5:22 a.m.
mazdeuce - Seth said:

More Miata stuff. 

Looks just like a 1 year old would look after eating an ice cream cone.

Harvey
Harvey SuperDork
12/3/18 7:30 a.m.

I mean, it had snows on it right? You did say you were putting those on. The ground clearance for eight inches of snow would have made me a bit nervous, but obviously Seth is the man.

Snow is one of those things that just demands traction and patience. As long as you have some traction you’ll be okay, but the less traction you have the more patience you need. People usually run out of patience before they run out of traction. Stopping is the part that is difficult. You don’t stop nearly as well as you get going in snow.

The best car I’ve had in the snow was my 2003 Subaru Outback H6. Once I had snows on that car it was amazing. Good ground clearance and the AWD setup was like magic. We have a 335i now and the BMW xdrive is actually really good as well.

Dirtydog
Dirtydog Dork
12/3/18 7:32 a.m.

-Hot new car- check...

-Dad/Son bonding - check...

-Epic pucker factor drive in unknown Hot new car- check....

-Ice racing/snow rally crossing in Hot new car- check....

-Hot new Christmas present for Mrs. Deuce?- check?...

  Best of all, Home, safe and sound.   Tell me Seth, what will you do for an encore?

Dirtydog
Dirtydog Dork
12/3/18 7:40 a.m.
Keith Tanner said:
John Welsh said:

If I remember the stories correctly, aside from growing up in the Grand Rapids area of Michigan, Seth attended college in the UP of Michigan.  I am sure that the snow had his attention but was not the worst he has seen.  

It’s not so much the conditions as the equipment in this case. Rufus was not optimized for snow use when it left FM!

Not to get all misty over this, but I'd say this car was not built for a drive like this.  It's a testament to how well FM puts a car together.

mazdeuce - Seth
mazdeuce - Seth Mod Squad
12/3/18 7:53 a.m.
Harvey said:

I mean, it had snows on it right? 

It has Yokohama S Drives. We discussed snow tires but I decided that the weather looked good enough that they weren't required. laugh

 

paul_s0
paul_s0 New Reader
12/3/18 8:08 a.m.

Glad you got back ok, I look forward to seeing more adventures!  One thing I do miss down here in Peru is driving in the snow, at least here in Lima.

spacecadet
spacecadet Reader
12/3/18 9:16 a.m.
mazdeuce - Seth said:
Harvey said:

I mean, it had snows on it right? 

It has Yokohama S Drives. We discussed snow tires but I decided that the weather looked good enough that they weren't required. laugh

 

*facepalm* 

mazdeuce - Seth
mazdeuce - Seth Mod Squad
12/3/18 9:39 a.m.

This is my first and last word on snow driving. I did grow up in the Midwest, attended school in the very snowy (300+ inches of snow a year) upper Midwest, and never owned a set of snow tires until I started rallycrossing. 
A person much smarter than me once said "If you can't decide whether you go off or not, you can at least decide how fast you're going when you do." That's a fancy way of saying the worse the weather, the slower you go, and since there is no upper bound to slippery there is no lower bound to slow. Combine this with a youthful past time of riding dirt bikes in the winter (when you WILL fall off) and that's why I drive the way I do. Over the pass on 141 I decided that about 10mph was about as fast as I wanted to be going when I slid off. The road didn't have any drop offs of death and a slide at that speed would have meant ditch time and my son having to eat my frozen body to survive until spring, but no appreciable risk of injury or car damage. In theory. On I-40, where the roads were worse to be honest, runoff is greater, risk of injury/car damage is lower, and my driving is adjusted accordingly. I never passed anyone in the snow. Not a single person. I was passed a half dozen times on 141 and by a few hundered semis on I-40, but I drove where I was comfortable (relatively) and made it through. 

mr2s2000elise
mr2s2000elise Reader
12/3/18 9:49 a.m.

The marker color matches the car 

 

did wifey take car to work today ? 

mazdeuce - Seth
mazdeuce - Seth Mod Squad
12/3/18 9:52 a.m.

In reply to mr2s2000elise :

She did. Loves it. She called me when she got to the office to tell me how great it is. The seat belt is a little too high on her, so we'll have to deal with that, but the car fits her, the visibility is well within her comfort level, she LOVES the headlights, and the driving dynamics are wonderful for her commute. I think we have a winner. Wait until she see's it washed. 

mr2s2000elise
mr2s2000elise Reader
12/3/18 9:59 a.m.

Excellent! That’s what we want to hear . Good to hear MRS loves it 

 

no height adjustment on the ND belt ? 

NOHOME
NOHOME UltimaDork
12/3/18 10:19 a.m.

So the 911 is yours now?

 

Pete

spacecadet
spacecadet Reader
12/3/18 11:32 a.m.
mr2s2000elise said:

Excellent! That’s what we want to hear . Good to hear MRS loves it 

 

no height adjustment on the ND belt ? 

no, they thread through the fixed seat eyelet from the back panel 

Harvey
Harvey SuperDork
12/3/18 11:37 a.m.
mazdeuce - Seth said:
Harvey said:

I mean, it had snows on it right? 

It has Yokohama S Drives. We discussed snow tires but I decided that the weather looked good enough that they weren't required. laugh

 

Holy crap! surprise

APEowner
APEowner Dork
12/3/18 12:11 p.m.
mazdeuce - Seth said:

Albuquerque.  Should have pressed on to Santa Rosa. Always easy to figure those things in retrospect. 

Edit: and to the forum member who offered food and shelter in ABQ, I'm hoping I don't have to call you. laugh

While I would have enjoyed meeting you, DK#4 and Rufus I'm glad that you didn't require a rescue of any sort.

nderwater
nderwater UltimaDork
12/3/18 12:40 p.m.
mazdeuce - Seth said:

It was 26 degrees and things were good here. We went up. It got down to 12 degrees with about 8 inches of snow. I did not stop to take pictures. Life is interesting when the car starts wiggling at 13mph so you slow down to 11. 

I have to admit I had some tightness in my stomach reading through these updates. My experience with summer tires in snow is *all* bad. I am shocked and amazed that you made it through okay.

Given that we're entering snow season, do any of you guys have experience with snow chains or products like the 'easy grip' from Michelin?  I run summer tires only and I'm thinking about keeping something in the back of my Jag in case I get caught in bad weather.

mazdeuce - Seth
mazdeuce - Seth Mod Squad
12/3/18 12:52 p.m.
NOHOME said:

So the 911 is yours now?

 

Pete

You must know that it doesn't work that way. laugh

In all honesty, Mrs. Deuce calls Rufus and the 911 our cars. We share them. Not using them for shenanigans is just a respect thing. I can handle messing up my junk, but to do that to a car that my wife loves isn't cool. 

dj06482
dj06482 SuperDork
12/3/18 2:22 p.m.

I can definitely appreciate what you drove through.  I co-drove SCC's Project SE-R from LA back to CT 11 years ago in early April.  The trip was uneventful, until we hit snow/freezing rain in PA.  Let's just say that Kumho XS' were not the hot snow/ice tire that year.  Coupled with no ABS or stability control, a track alignment which encouraged rotation above all else, and a rear-biased braking setup (see note about rotation), it made for some interesting moments. I still have nightmares of 18 wheelers barreling down on us while we were stuck in the tunnels of PA.  

I'm glad that you and your son made it home safe and sound, and now you'll have a fun story you'll never forget!  Can't wait to see the updates on Mrs. Deuce's daily driver!

AnthonyGS
AnthonyGS Reader
12/3/18 2:25 p.m.

In reply to mazdeuce - Seth :

This is the reason my 996 is just a great driver.  I bought a challenge car for my silly shenanigans.  

mr2s2000elise
mr2s2000elise Reader
12/3/18 3:04 p.m.

In reply to mazdeuce - Seth :

So if she DD's ND to work , you get to drive 911 M-F?

NOHOME
NOHOME UltimaDork
12/3/18 3:16 p.m.

I got caught out on the first storm of this year with summer tires on the FRS, I only had 5 miles to get home and  all the ass-end of the car wanted to do was fall off the crown of the road.  I drove home sideways and in fear of yellow lights...Snow tires transform the car.

 

I was a bit worried when I saw the first picture. When I saw the snow covered snout, I was amazed that it stayed on the road.

 

Pete

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