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stumpmj
stumpmj Dork
1/12/14 10:01 a.m.
z31maniac wrote: Gave it a lot of thought last night, it makes sense to go with the 4Runner. A nice Sequoia/Tundra forces a budget increase of 50%, which is just money that gets taken away from the track budget. Road trips will only ever be my wife and I, and trips to the track will usually be just me, or possibly one other person. Thanks for the help gents, now to try to get the NC sold and find a nice 4Runner. Unfortunately it's looking like I'm going to need to buy a 4Runner then try to sell the Miata myself. A quick guesstimate from once dealership yesterday on what they would for trade was unacceptably low based on retail value and I suspect any other dealer will have the same thought.

It might be differnt for your car but for what I've been selling (older/cheaper trucks/cars) I take the trade in offer from the dealer, double it, put that as the price on Graig's list, and sell it in a week.

Good luck!

z31maniac
z31maniac UltimaDork
1/12/14 10:06 a.m.

Yeah, I don't think anyone is in the market for a $18-20k 2006 Miata.

Without a full appraisal, he said they would likely be in the $9100-9900 range for trade-in. I think I can realistically get around $12k for the car since it has all options, except traction control, and only has 44k miles.

irish44j
irish44j PowerDork
1/12/14 5:41 p.m.

We drove the Sequoia today. I'll be honest....the interior is awesome, the features are awesome, the engine is excellent. We drove the 4Runner there. Driving the Sequoia I might as well have come there in a go-kart. I obviously knew in advance that the Sequoia was larger (1300lbs, 15" length, 4" width) than the 4runner, but in reality, it felt about 3 times the size. Even at 6'0 with the seat adjusted, I couldn't even see over the monster hood, and though the suspension feels nice and the ride was great, it feels every bit of 3 tons, if not more. I really didn't enjoy it at all other than the short jaunt we did on the highway. It honestly just felt ridiculous to drive something that size anywhere other than the open highway.

Wife (5'7) literally couldn't tell where the vehicle was, had the seat max height with her head almost touching the roof, and still couldn't see over the hood. We had the 4Runner parked next to it (wish I had a camera) and you can't get a feel about just how big the Sequoia is until you see it next to a midsize SUV like the 4Runner (which is not "small" on the outside). I think the 4Runner could have parked inside the Sequoia.

It was also funny watching wife climb up into it like Billy Joe Bob climbing into his tractor trailer.

Bottom line: we ruled it out. Just too berkeleying big, and even I with my need for 5k+ towing can't even come close to justifying it. If it was a diesel, that might sway me a bit....but no.

Unrelated note, we also drove the opposite end of the 3-row SUV spectrum: MDX. Third row seat is useless for anything but kids or small adults under 5'6. But damn is it a nice driver. It felt about as big as my WRX, felt damn near as fast, and handled awesome. I'm strongly thinking about the smaller RDX when I get rid of the WRX in a couple years.....never been in a sport-ute that handled like the MDX did: very, very impressive and a really great interior to boot. The SH-AWD I managed to get doing its job with a bit of hooning on a road covered with salt/sand from our recent snow. Grip is pretty impressive.

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Our last ditch here is to look at the new (11+) Durango with the 5.7 V8, which shares the chassis with the GL-class Benz and Grand Cherokee and supposedly is pretty carlike in its handling (especially the R/T), has good power, and three real rows. A bit hesitant about Dodge quality coming from a Toyota, but maybe I'm being a bit ridiculous....

If that doesn't work, it's Acadia (provided I can find one with a 2nd-row bench AND tow package, which is apparently a unicorn) or Odyssey (kill me now, don't care how great minivans are, the Odyssey drives like a boring heavy box on wheels).

OHSCrifle
OHSCrifle Reader
1/12/14 6:24 p.m.

I'm a fan of the MDX, for sure. Rode to many soccer games withy five adults and three kids in one. I also like the way my ten year old Odyssey drives. Totally car like, and different from other minivans. Not saying its a sportscar, but still impressive. And the new generation is even better.

Irish- have you ever driven an odyssey, or do you just have preconceived ideas?

irish44j
irish44j PowerDork
1/12/14 8:50 p.m.
OHSCrifle wrote: I'm a fan of the MDX, for sure. Rode to many soccer games withy five adults and three kids in one. I also like the way my ten year old Odyssey drives. Totally car like, and different from other minivans. Not saying its a sportscar, but still impressive. And the new generation is even better. Irish- have you ever driven an odyssey, or do you just have preconceived ideas?

I've driven the last-generation one. It's not that I hate minivans. They drive fine, they are totally practical for my wife's everyday use and for general hauling of stuff and people. They are not fun to drive, I don't care what anyone says. The only minivan that was fun to drive was my '89 Voyager, and it was only fun in the stupid high school years in Italy when doing 100mph down a one-lane highway or something, lol....

The main problem is that her her current everyday vehicle (4Runner) doubles as my tow vehicle, which the Odyssey cannot do...

MDX could handle my tow needs (barely) but the back seat couldn't even fit our 6-year-old's booster seat so it was nixed. V8 Durango looks promising for all of our mutual needs (and budget) and I am finding mostly good reviews for it....it's just getting over our low opinion of previous generation Durangos (which share basically nothing in common with the new (11+) ones.) Will test drive both the V6 and V8 tomorrow on the way home from work, so I'll know by this time tomorrow...

z31maniac
z31maniac UltimaDork
1/12/14 9:24 p.m.

I understand completely, the Seqouia was very underwhelming.

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