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Knurled
Knurled UberDork
8/7/13 12:41 p.m.
kanaric wrote: They are selling at levels Mitsubishi was in the 90s right now.

Exactly. They stop trying to cater to everyone like Toyota and Honda, and their sales improve.

carbon
carbon
8/7/13 3:24 p.m.

My sincere hope is that they sell a trd griffon version. http://www.speedhunters.com/2013/02/trd-griffon-concept-the-ultimate-tuned-eight-six/trd-griffon-01/

irish44j
irish44j UberDork
8/7/13 5:53 p.m.
kanaric wrote: The only STI with a large jump in power like what people want here was the old WRX.

you consider 15-20hp a "large jump in power" ?

z31maniac
z31maniac PowerDork
8/7/13 6:23 p.m.
irish44j wrote:
kanaric wrote: The only STI with a large jump in power like what people want here was the old WRX.

you consider 15-20hp a "large jump in power" ?

I think that's why he said "old WRX" when the difference was ~225 to 300.

irish44j
irish44j UberDork
8/7/13 6:50 p.m.
z31maniac wrote:
irish44j wrote:
kanaric wrote: The only STI with a large jump in power like what people want here was the old WRX.

you consider 15-20hp a "large jump in power" ?

I think that's why he said "old WRX" when the difference was ~225 to 300.

good point, didn't even notice that :P

Caleb
Caleb Reader
8/8/13 4:14 a.m.

I still feel the Genesis 2.0 Coupe R-spec is a hell of a lot more car for the same or less money

z31maniac
z31maniac PowerDork
8/8/13 6:53 a.m.
Caleb wrote: I still feel the Genesis 2.0 Coupe R-spec is a hell of a lot more car for the same or less money

I would if didn't have a 2.0L turbo that weighs as much as a 'Vette.

carguy123
carguy123 UltimaDork
8/8/13 7:06 a.m.
Caleb wrote: I still feel the Genesis 2.0 Coupe R-spec is a hell of a lot more car for the same or less money

It's a lot heavier than the BRZ and not as nimble

Knurled
Knurled UberDork
8/8/13 7:37 a.m.

But you can get the Genesis with 6-pot front/4-pot rear brakes.

mtn
mtn UltimaDork
8/8/13 8:09 a.m.

My problem with the Genessis [Coupe] is that it feels to me like it is trying to be a budget G35/37 coupe, but got lost halfway and went down the boy-racer road. In the end, it half-assed both of them--not particularly boy-racerish, and not luxurious either. I wonder if a second generation could figure it out, but I kinda doubt it.

DanyloS
DanyloS New Reader
8/8/13 9:56 a.m.

Just thinking out loud but this should be the BRZ STi!

Flat 6 from the Outback swapped in + 250ish hp/lbft

also sounds pretty awesome http://instagram.com/p/ckr-XEtuSp/#

e_pie
e_pie HalfDork
8/8/13 10:13 a.m.
DanyloS wrote: Just thinking out loud but this should be the BRZ STi! Flat 6 from the Outback swapped in + 250ish hp/lbft also sounds pretty awesome http://instagram.com/p/ckr-XEtuSp/#

I wonder how involved that swap would be, the modern suby 6 cylinders are pretty solid engines and surprisingly cheap.

kreb
kreb SuperDork
8/8/13 10:25 a.m.

Honestly, most of the time I see a turbo 4, I think "why not just throw a 6 in there"? I know that the 4 will get somewhat better gas mileage and be a bit lighter, but I'm a big one for simplicity.

Swank Force One
Swank Force One MegaDork
8/8/13 10:26 a.m.
kreb wrote: Honestly, most of the time I see a turbo 4, I think "why not just throw a 6 in there"? I know that the 4 will get somewhat better gas mileage and be a bit lighter, but I'm a big one for simplicity.

Well.... and a proper turbo 4 will oftentimes outperform a 6 anyways.

kreb
kreb SuperDork
8/8/13 11:05 a.m.

In reply to Swank Force One: I know, and upgrades to turbos come cheaper than upgrades to NA motors. I understand the factories reasoning. It's more of a personal thing. Must be my getting old!

Swank Force One
Swank Force One MegaDork
8/8/13 11:15 a.m.
kreb wrote: In reply to Swank Force One: I know, and upgrades to turbos come cheaper than upgrades to NA motors. I understand the factories reasoning. It's more of a personal thing. Must be my getting old!

Heh, it's cool. I prefer the best of both worlds. Turbo 6s.

HiTempguy
HiTempguy UltraDork
8/8/13 11:20 a.m.
z31maniac wrote:
Caleb wrote: I still feel the Genesis 2.0 Coupe R-spec is a hell of a lot more car for the same or less money

I would if didn't have a 2.0L turbo that weighs as much as a 'Vette.

My buddy has one with only a tune on it (soon to be moar boosts, turboback exhaust). It is FAST, fun, and get's 6.5L/100kms on the highway. He averages around 8.5 and drives like he's 18. Best performance bargain out there, period. Yea, it's a little heavy, but it's a lot more refined then a AE86 so I guess tradeoffs are a bitch.

z31maniac
z31maniac PowerDork
8/8/13 12:01 p.m.
HiTempguy wrote:
z31maniac wrote:
Caleb wrote: I still feel the Genesis 2.0 Coupe R-spec is a hell of a lot more car for the same or less money

I would if didn't have a 2.0L turbo that weighs as much as a 'Vette.

My buddy has one with only a tune on it (soon to be moar boosts, turboback exhaust). It is FAST, fun, and get's 6.5L/100kms on the highway. He averages around 8.5 and drives like he's 18. Best performance bargain out there, period. Yea, it's a little heavy, but it's a lot more refined then a AE86 so I guess tradeoffs are a bitch.

I'd argue the Coyote Mustangs are the best $$/value at the moment. I paid $30,500 for my GT with the Track Pack which includes Brembo's and a Torsen.

carbon
carbon New Reader
8/8/13 4:17 p.m.

I usually wait until everyone gives up on these type of cars then I scoop one cheap and build it then. I can build you a ridiculous ae86 for that type of money or a 77 celica liftback maybe even a 1uz powered one <img src="#//s1148.photobucket.com/user/thehumanrace/media/december2011312.jpg.html][/URL]" /> <img src="#//s1148.photobucket.com/user/thehumanrace/media/december2011316.jpg.html][/URL]" />

Knurled
Knurled UberDork
8/8/13 8:27 p.m.
Swank Force One wrote: Heh, it's cool. I prefer the best of both worlds. Turbo 6s.

I thought the best of both worlds was N/A four. None of the weight and none of the lag.

Seriously, I got to drive a 2.5RS that probably makes as much power as my RX-7 and weighs a little bit less. It was.... fun. Never had to be careful with throttle modulation in an AWD before.

Swank Force One
Swank Force One MegaDork
8/8/13 8:46 p.m.

N/A is the expensive way to go slow.

Knurled
Knurled UberDork
8/8/13 8:54 p.m.

Tortoise and hare, my good man. N/A you get to drive your car, turbo you get to work on it a lot. A broken car is a very slow thing indeed.

(That said, I shan't think of how many transmissions that 2.5RS has gone through. Apparently you can easily break Subaru transmissions even with a 12:1 EJ25)

Swank Force One
Swank Force One MegaDork
8/8/13 8:57 p.m.

Ask me how unreliable my $900 turbo car has been as an obscenely powerful daily driver for the last 4 years.

Knurled
Knurled UberDork
8/8/13 9:03 p.m.

Uh-huh. You just haven't met the Boost Monster yet. The Boost Monster lives in a dark place in your soul and sustains itself with head gaskets, piston ring lands, connecting rods, transmissions, axles, and differentials.

I see plenty of people who've met the Boost Monster. It tends to be very well fed. Fortunately, once you get to the 1500-2000hp range, the problem becomes traction more than anything else, and even as low as 1000hp you can get something bulletproof relatively inexpensively. But 1000hp is just a little tickle, once you're used to what it feels like, and then you want more.

z31maniac
z31maniac PowerDork
8/8/13 9:40 p.m.
Swank Force One wrote: Ask me how unreliable my $900 turbo car has been as an obscenely powerful daily driver for the last 4 years.

Turbo + street car = easy to be reliable

Now bring that car, as it sits, to the track and see if lasts 2 hours of getting the snot beat out of it. And can do it most of the time.

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