Streetwiseguy
Streetwiseguy MegaDork
12/4/21 9:01 p.m.

I'm going to call this a pressure induced failure on Maxes part, and it's his first one, I think. That's pretty good, really.

Keith Tanner
Keith Tanner MegaDork
12/4/21 10:05 p.m.

I'm not a huge Max fan but I will happily admit that he has his head well together. You can't pressure him into a mistake. 

alfadriver
alfadriver MegaDork
12/4/21 10:14 p.m.

In reply to Keith Tanner :

Max says that he does not let the pressure get to him, but seeing his eyes in the interviews, he either got bawled out by his dad (which I would not put against him) or he is feeling the pressure.

He should have bailed on the lap when he locked the left wheel going into the last corner, but he thought he could deal with it, even though the lap was probably ruined.  We will see tomorrow if this ends up mattering a lot worse.

Keith Tanner
Keith Tanner MegaDork
12/4/21 10:19 p.m.

I was thinking more of the way he deals with having Lewis on his rear diffuser all the time. But pressure would explain his decision making process when being passed. 

codrus (Forum Supporter)
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12/4/21 10:39 p.m.
Streetwiseguy said:

I'm going to call this a pressure induced failure on Maxes part, and it's his first one, I think. That's pretty good, really.

He was pushing very hard on that lap -- you don't do that without occasionally pushing it over the edge and on a track like that there's no room for it.

That said, I don't think it'll hurt him much.  He's still P3 and even if the transmission is damaged and he gets a 5 spot penalty for changing it I doubt that'll have much effect.  Three of those positions are Perez, Gasly, and Tsunoda who will all get instructions to let him by, so it's just Norris and LeClerc he needs to pass to get back to P3.

My prediction is that (barring further bad luck) if he starts P3 he'll finish P2, and if he starts P8 he'll finish P3.

 

SnowMongoose
SnowMongoose SuperDork
12/4/21 11:35 p.m.

In reply to codrus (Forum Supporter) :

Yeah, if there's anything we've learned this season it's that Max and Lewis are so much faster than the rest that grid penalties for them are inconveniences at worst.

johndej
johndej Dork
12/5/21 11:34 a.m.

Hearing there was just an awful crash in the F2 race. Hopefully all drivers are all right.

Edit, was a car stalled at the start not circuit related.

alfadriver
alfadriver MegaDork
12/5/21 12:05 p.m.

12:30 start.... odd.  Unless you think that the US matters a lot, and College Football matters to ESPN.  

Seems to me ESPN has some influence over F1 because of ratings.  I know few here care about stick and ball sports, but ESPN does.  And I wonder if they want to make sure that their noon crowd does not need to choose between the race and the final playoff rankings.

cmcgregor (Forum Supporter)
cmcgregor (Forum Supporter) SuperDork
12/5/21 12:32 p.m.
alfadriver said:

12:30 start.... odd.  Unless you think that the US matters a lot, and College Football matters to ESPN.  

Seems to me ESPN has some influence over F1 because of ratings.  I know few here care about stick and ball sports, but ESPN does.  And I wonder if they want to make sure that their noon crowd does not need to choose between the race and the final playoff rankings.

Commentators yesterday said the half hour start is to accommodate evening prayers.

cmcgregor (Forum Supporter)
cmcgregor (Forum Supporter) SuperDork
12/5/21 12:51 p.m.

Things just got interesting!

alfadriver
alfadriver MegaDork
12/5/21 12:53 p.m.

In reply to cmcgregor (Forum Supporter) :

Qualifying started at the top of the hour yesterday, though.

cmcgregor (Forum Supporter)
cmcgregor (Forum Supporter) SuperDork
12/5/21 12:58 p.m.

In reply to alfadriver :

Just repeating what I heard on the broadcast. I imagine if I were in charge of scheduling I'd be more concerned about the gp start time than qualifying, but what do I know.

 

Edited for bad news for Lewis! Lucky break for Max.

alfadriver
alfadriver MegaDork
12/5/21 12:59 p.m.
cmcgregor (Forum Supporter) said:

Things just got interesting!

And the red flag makes it even more interesting.  Max went from having to make  a pit stop during the race to doing it under the red flag.  Went from Mercedes having the upper hand to Max having the full advantage.

Lewis will have to make the pass now.

wae
wae UberDork
12/5/21 12:59 p.m.

Oh man....  It looks like it's a good day to be Max.

alfadriver
alfadriver MegaDork
12/5/21 1:01 p.m.

Since they red flagged practice for a long time and red flagged the race for the same accident... kind of suggests that this isn't a great track to race at.  

Streetwiseguy
Streetwiseguy MegaDork
12/5/21 1:04 p.m.

This will be a good example to remember when the Max-ites talk about Lewis getting special treatment.

alfadriver
alfadriver MegaDork
12/5/21 1:06 p.m.

In reply to Streetwiseguy :

Right, max was just gifted 23 seconds on a clean track.  Which is a huge points spread between finishing first than having to probably go to 3rd at some point.

cmcgregor (Forum Supporter)
cmcgregor (Forum Supporter) SuperDork
12/5/21 1:20 p.m.

Max was sitting there an awfully long time waiting for everyone to queue up.

Ugh, hurry up and wait again.

alfadriver
alfadriver MegaDork
12/5/21 1:21 p.m.

Can we not come back to this track- this sucks.

alfadriver
alfadriver MegaDork
12/5/21 1:31 p.m.

Offering them a starting spot?  

Is that for Red Bull to avoid a penalty?   What's up with that?

edit- they are trying to avoid going to the race stewards.  Interesting to go like that.

loosecannon
loosecannon SuperDork
12/5/21 1:35 p.m.

Hundreds of millions of dollars spent on this track and it sucks. How does this happen? All the data they have access to and they don't design a track that allows passing, it's so dumb

codrus (Forum Supporter)
codrus (Forum Supporter) PowerDork
12/5/21 1:36 p.m.
alfadriver said:

edit- they are trying to avoid going to the race stewards.  Interesting to go like that.

The standard deal when you pass off the track is that you get a half a lap or so to voluntarily give it back, no harm/no foul.  This is basically just the same thing made explicit because of the red flag.

 

DeadSkunk  (Warren)
DeadSkunk (Warren) UltimaDork
12/5/21 1:41 p.m.

During these red flags they need to do an interview with Herman Tilke..........

Streetwiseguy
Streetwiseguy MegaDork
12/5/21 1:42 p.m.

What a goat rodeo.

 

cmcgregor (Forum Supporter)
cmcgregor (Forum Supporter) SuperDork
12/5/21 1:42 p.m.

I can't believe they're going to do another standing start.

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