wae
wae PowerDork
11/26/23 9:17 a.m.

They really left sainz hung out to dry.  But what's all this pit infringement?

alfadriver
alfadriver MegaDork
11/26/23 9:33 a.m.

So a mistake by Perez lets Mercedes finish 2nd in the championship. Interesting. 

NY Nick
NY Nick SuperDork
11/26/23 10:58 a.m.

I'm glad it's over, congrats to Max on smashing every single season record ever but damn I hope to see some racing for the win next year. The battle for second in constructors was interesting, Charles was as heads up as I have ever seen him at the end. George on the radio was great; paraphrasing here. "How is Lewis doing?" Engineer "He is having a good race and in a battle of his own" George "What the berkeley does that mean?, I am talking about the constructors battle here"

Javelin
Javelin MegaDork
11/26/23 11:02 a.m.

Alonso holds on to 4th in the WDC, Mercedes passes Ferrari for 2nd in the WCC, Stroll is 10th and honestly deserved it. Tsunoda and Albon both looked good at times, but ultimately were fighting for table scraps and made huge errors throughout the year. HAAS snatched crushing defeat from the jaws of potential, they just don't have what it takes. Williams resurgent is great. The 2nd-20th battle was great all year, too bad about Max running away with everything. 

Streetwiseguy
Streetwiseguy MegaDork
11/26/23 11:09 a.m.

My technique of ignoring Max has made the races this year as entertaining as any year I've watched.  Today had strategy and drama and one hell of a lot of fun racing.  

I thought Lewis had Yuki at the end, but he sent it a bit too hard.  The one stop worked. 

Carlos just had a E36 M3 sandwich of a weekend.

Charles needed to back George up a couple more seconds at the end, but that would be seriously risky.

I sure expected more out of Lando today.

alfadriver
alfadriver MegaDork
11/26/23 11:47 a.m.

In reply to NY Nick :

I appreciate the dominance of the Red Bull. But the barrage of most in a season stuff runs pretty hollow as they have extended the season in a way that Fango, Senna, Prost, and Schumi never had a chance to do. 

Hoppps
Hoppps New Reader
11/26/23 12:26 p.m.

I feel bad for Sainz. They truly left him out to dry. 10 laps to go it was pretty obvious to me he should've boxed that lap and had a few laps to try and score points. Instead they left him 1 lap to drive around for nothing.

Idk when Sainz contract is up, but I had a though during the race that he could get scooped up by RB for the 2nd seat, considering his previous ties to the team. That would be interesting!

Keith Tanner
Keith Tanner MegaDork
11/26/23 12:56 p.m.

In reply to alfadriver :

I was looking up the 1976 season yesterday after talking to someone about Hunt's era. 14 races, most of which were in Europe. 70 drivers listed! Even the dominant 1988 McLaren - which won all but one race - could only win 15 races because there were only 16 (and 36 drivers). 

RacerBoy75
RacerBoy75 Reader
11/26/23 3:10 p.m.

Somehow when I set my DVR to record the race, I selected the ESPN-U channel. The broadcast was for kids, with actual kids + 1 adult doing the commentating. Since they were aiming at keeping the race interesting for adolescents, there were constant graphics boxes cluttering up the screen, along with constant explanations for slipstreaming, different tire compounds, etc. The kids that were commenting were actually pretty decent, with the main commentator (he sounded like he was about 12 years old) really on top of things, but when he got excited by the action on-track his voice would get about two octaves higher in pitch.

At the end when Leclerc let Perez by to try and slow Russell down, the commentators were aware of what was going on a did a good job of explaining what Charles was trying to do. They didn't dumb things down too much, it turns out.

On the left side of the screen where they showed the standings, they had cartoon avatars of the drivers, and when  there was a pass for position, in the lower right they would have the driver's avatar giving a big thumbs up or a jaunty wave. When my wife (who is very un-interested in racing, but is quite tolerant of me watching it on TV) came in and glanced at the screen, she asked why there were cartoons of the drivers.

At first I was highly annoyed by it all, but it was still better than not seeing the race. 

 

newold_m (Forum Supporter)
newold_m (Forum Supporter) Reader
11/26/23 3:57 p.m.

Yeah I also ended up with the kids version too and it actually wasn't too bad. Decently in depth technical explanation from the commentators and they didn't miss too many things. One thing I missed were the pit lane communications which were significantly pared down compared to the regular broadcast. 

Tom1200
Tom1200 PowerDork
11/26/23 8:23 p.m.

There was some decent racing but Verstappen slaying the field just kinda takes the wind out if my sails.

Purple Frog (Forum Supporter)
Purple Frog (Forum Supporter) Dork
11/26/23 8:34 p.m.

If you focus only on the winner, then most F1 seasons going way back would appear to be boring.  e.g. the Michael years,  the Hamilton years, etc.   Yet there are 20 different stories and all the permutations.  It is surprising how important a 10th place finish can be for some teams/drivers.   The "Drive to Survive" series has woke up many in the States to all the storylines.

noodle
noodle Reader
11/26/23 9:49 p.m.

In reply to RacerBoy75 :

Totally agree. I ended up turn the audio off. I had no idea what was going on

MiniDave
MiniDave HalfDork
11/26/23 11:18 p.m.

There was no Verstoppin Verstappen!

I think the drivers are happy to see the end of this season - at last! But the new one in less than 100 days away, so not a lot of time to recover......

Sargeant's is the only seat that's not confirmed, if they do keep him it will be the first time in a very long time that there are no new drivers to start the new year.

That assumes Red Bull won't ditch Checo for DannyRickyBobby and set off a whole row of dominoes

I wound up on the kids version too, but I found my DVR had also recorded the regular broadcast also, so I switched over. I found all the pop ups extremely distracting, and I still don't understand why all the announcers have to talk incessantly.

Red Bull's reliability this season has been exceptional, as one who grew up with F1 routinely parking about half the field with a broken something, it's been pretty amazing - and Max drove every lap of every race this season, and led over 1000 of them. 

Jim Pettengill
Jim Pettengill HalfDork
11/27/23 12:57 a.m.

Adrian Newey did it again (and again - and again . . . )

kevlarcorolla
kevlarcorolla Dork
11/27/23 8:34 a.m.
Tom1200 said:

There was some decent racing but Verstappen slaying the field just kinda takes the wind out if my sails.

I hear ya,at least in the mercedes era there were some team battles.....Checo fell apart for about 90% of the season.

 Not sure I'd be counting on him not doing the same next yr when they hopefully have stronger competition.

dclafleur
dclafleur Reader
11/27/23 9:34 a.m.

In reply to MiniDave :

I keep making that point in my discussions I do not remember a season where a car was as reliable as the Red Bull car, especially crazy when considering how many races it had to run. 

triumph7
triumph7 HalfDork
11/27/23 10:07 a.m.

In reply to dclafleur :

I think this is a side effect of the engine and gearbox rules.  Personally, I don't care if they use a different engine for each session of the year.  If they didn't have to last a third of the season and the teams turned them up we would see something (including a few blow ups)!

Personally, I also think the teams should be allowed to test a lot more, that's how they should develop young drivers and the equipment.

codrus (Forum Supporter)
codrus (Forum Supporter) PowerDork
11/27/23 12:51 p.m.
MiniDave said:

I wound up on the kids version too, but I found my DVR had also recorded the regular broadcast also, so I switched over. I found all the pop ups extremely distracting, and I still don't understand why all the announcers have to talk incessantly.

Youtube TV only seemed to have the kids versions, which I found unwatchable.  I got about 10 minutes in and turned it off, sigh.

 

 

CrashDummy
CrashDummy Reader
11/28/23 7:08 a.m.
codrus (Forum Supporter) said:
MiniDave said:

I wound up on the kids version too, but I found my DVR had also recorded the regular broadcast also, so I switched over. I found all the pop ups extremely distracting, and I still don't understand why all the announcers have to talk incessantly.

Youtube TV only seemed to have the kids versions, which I found unwatchable.  I got about 10 minutes in and turned it off, sigh.

 

 

Go to the program in your library, click on "Versions", and then choose the version you want. The kids broadcast was from ESPN-U. The normal one was on one of the other ESPNs. My YoutubeTV defaulted to the kids version but it records all instances. 

759NRNG
759NRNG PowerDork
11/28/23 9:29 a.m.
Purple Frog (Forum Supporter) said:

If you focus only on the winner, then most F1 seasons going way back would appear to be boring.  e.g. the Michael years,  the Hamilton years, etc.   Yet there are 20 different stories and all the permutations.  It is surprising how important a 10th place finish can be for some teams/drivers.   The "Drive to Survive" series has woke up many in the States to all the storylines.

Thank you.............

loosecannon
loosecannon SuperDork
11/28/23 9:36 p.m.
triumph7 said:

In reply to dclafleur :

I think this is a side effect of the engine and gearbox rules.  Personally, I don't care if they use a different engine for each session of the year.  If they didn't have to last a third of the season and the teams turned them up we would see something (including a few blow ups)!

Personally, I also think the teams should be allowed to test a lot more, that's how they should develop young drivers and the equipment.

I agree with you. Since we now have the cost cap, do we really need restrictions on engine and transmission use? F1 limits how much fuel they can hold already so just let the teams run any engine they want, as many as they want if they don't go over budget and can do a race with the restricted fuel supply. And why not allow a certain amount of testing based on team points? The higher you are in the points, the fewer test miles you get

Keith Tanner
Keith Tanner MegaDork
11/28/23 10:57 p.m.

In reply to loosecannon :

I think they already have restrictions like that for wind tunnel time. 

I wonder what a drivetrain costs? How much would a few extra PUs cost relative to positions in the manufacturer championship?

codrus (Forum Supporter)
codrus (Forum Supporter) PowerDork
11/29/23 12:09 a.m.
CrashDummy said:
codrus (Forum Supporter) said:
MiniDave said:

I wound up on the kids version too, but I found my DVR had also recorded the regular broadcast also, so I switched over. I found all the pop ups extremely distracting, and I still don't understand why all the announcers have to talk incessantly.

Youtube TV only seemed to have the kids versions, which I found unwatchable.  I got about 10 minutes in and turned it off, sigh.

 

 

Go to the program in your library, click on "Versions", and then choose the version you want. The kids broadcast was from ESPN-U. The normal one was on one of the other ESPNs. My YoutubeTV defaulted to the kids version but it records all instances. 

Wow, that's buried deep in the user interface in a not-easily-discoverable way (playing it using Chrome on my desktop).  Worked though, thanks!
 

loosecannon
loosecannon SuperDork
11/29/23 9:57 a.m.
Keith Tanner said:

In reply to loosecannon :

I think they already have restrictions like that for wind tunnel time. 

I wonder what a drivetrain costs? How much would a few extra PUs cost relative to positions in the manufacturer championship?

True but even wind tunnel speed is restricted by F1. Teams aren't allowed to run the wind tunnel speed fast enough to reveal porpoising, which is just another way the teams have their hands tied when it comes to fixing a bad car. Teams need to test cars IRL to fix problems

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