Max proved once against that he is still the best driver in f1 today with the incredible overtake at turn 1.
Max proved once against that he is still the best driver in f1 today with the incredible overtake at turn 1.
Tom1200 said:loosecannon said:Max always drags out a result, he would be a benefit to any team he goes to. He's a driving machine, but I still don't like him
I don't like him either but today he morphed into Niki Luada.
Nothing but repsect.for today's performance.
Yep that was next level.
That was a typical Max move, though. Had Oscar not backed off, Lando would have won that race walking away from an 18 car field.
Give credit to Max, though. Winning move.
I think Oscar should get credit for driving like a guy leading the points vs losing it in a gravel trap.
In reply to kevlarcorolla :
I am truly impressed by Oscar and you can tell from F3,2, and 1 he learns. It's to early in the season, let's see after the break if still has his cool, and how high the elbows Max puts up. Oscar can drive Russel and Norris cleanly, if Lewis gets up there could change the dynamic and there could be some wheel 2 wheel hitting.
Only watched the highlights. The turn 1 lap 1 racing was great. No crashes or cutting of corners. Room was left by Piastri for Ver to make the pass. Russell got a great start and pressured both Ver and Piastri. It was clear that Norris and Piastri both played caution over winning at the start. Norris could have followed Ver around the outside of Russell.
Tsunoda, I understand, crashed in qualifying so his run from pitlane to 10th was interesting. Will have to see how the VSC and SC affected him.
Not sure why the Aston's started so close to the front then fell back? Need to watch some F1 YouTube I guess.
Albon seemed to have a chance at the podium or 4th. The change in driver's racing guidelines this year I keep hoping will work out but the must leave room rules of prior years seems now to have been better than this current version.
It seems more and more likely, IMO, that Papaya rules right now are, "Don't jeopardize the Manufacturer's Championship." Period.
I wonder what it is about Max and RBR that the #2 driver, whoever it has been, seems to struggle to finish in the same zip code as Max.
Is the car so focused on Max that no one else can adapt to it?
Coming from Racing Point, where he consistently finished as "the best of the rest" (4th-10th) Checo looked to be the guy that could provide solid points as a number 2 driver. But he faded.
None of RBR's second drivers during the Verstappen Championship Era have been able to provide that solid 1-5 points finishes race in and race out, like Barrichello and Irvine did for Schumacher, Coulthard did for Hakkinen, etc.
I'm probably over generalizing or my memory is missing some material facts. Feel free to provide corrections.
Heck, even Heinz-Harald Frentzen seem to be on the podium with Jacques Villeneuve more often than the Red Bull's #2's have been.
Stolen from random reddit thread judging Perez being dropped. Doesn't break it down by podiums but for wins it's close.
In reply to johndej :
Yeah, wins are one very important metric, but it's the relative lack of podiums and points in general (especially higher points, say 2nd-5th place) that seem to be different or lacking.
Maybe it's that the second-tier talent isn't as deep these days as it may have been in the past.
Memory can play tricks over time, but it seemed like when there was a dominant car, both drivers qualified in the same ballpark and often finished well together, often both within the top 5.
RBR hasn't seemed to follow that during the Verstappen dominance era.
This has been re-hashed a lot lately. It comes down to RB making the car so "pointy" that only Max can drive it consistently fast.
Weber was actually leading the championship into the end of the year the first year vettel a championship.
Iirc, Danny ric was the last redbull #2 that actually consistently scored points.
Well, I think two big stories here - one is how well Williams is going now with two cars finishing in the top 10 and secondly how poorly Aston is doing, even after some upgrades. Really makes me wonder if the Newey magic will happen for them.
I think their best hope is to go ahead and steal Max from Red Bull and fire Jr. ASAP.
MiniDave said:Well, I think two big stories here - one is how well Williams is going now with two cars finishing in the top 10 and secondly how poorly Aston is doing, even after some upgrades. Really makes me wonder if the Newey magic will happen for them.
I think their best hope is to go ahead and steal Max from Red Bull and fire Jr. ASAP.
Newey hasn't started on anything we have seen yet.
Wait for the magic.
From what I've read, the theoretically fastest F1 car is very "pointy" which as I understand it is a car that's very quick to respond/twitchy/oversteary. Now, no human can drive the theoretical fastest car, so the designers have to dial it back so the car is driveable. At the start of the season Max is a couple tenths faster than his teammate. Max's feedback is "we can make the car pointier." The team makes changes, Max goes faster, and his teammate struggles more. Repeat this process a few times and you end up in the situation we've seen play out. RedBull is in the situation where they can kneecap the car so that's driveable for their #2 or just keep adjusting it to see how fast Max can go.
I also think that being exposed to all of Max's data and trying to duplicate what he's doing instead of just being the best Albon/Checco/Lawson you can be is part of the problem.
I was watching the F1 2024 highlights, Perez in the 1/4 of the season was driving great, and as soon as McLaren started catching up it seemed like the car became undrivable for Perez. I was listening to a podcast about Horner that they are blaming him for the big contract for Perez, however I don't blame him given the early performance, Perez just fell apart. Ralf Schumi says that Horner didn't want Tsunado and Lawson and wanted to sign Calpinto. Of course Ralph thinks Mick is better then all them...I am a fan of Mick but let's be real.
The problem with the car is solely that it has a very narrow window in which it functions.
Verstappen isn't the only driver to ever like a car that rotates rapidly; so the claim that it's a very pointy car doesn't hold up when it comes to the number two drivers.
Basically the Red Bull is a tropical fish; it lives in a very narrow bandwidth. Outside of that bandwidth it starts to have big issues.
You'd need to hire someone like Alonso, Hamilton, Piastri or Russel and those guys aren't going to want to be number two to Max. The acrimony within the team would be a repeat of Prost & Senna.
At this point Red Bull has to suck it up until the new car comes out.
Some pre-race info from Brembo:
At the end of May, as tradition dictates, Formula 1 returns to the Principality of Monaco for the most iconic Grand Prix of the season.
The inaugural edition dates back to 1929, while the first race to count for the World Championship was held in 1950—a year when 9 of the 19 cars on the grid retired in the opening moments due to a multi-car crash. The Monaco GP also holds the record for the fewest finishers in F1 history: just 3 cars made it to the chequered flag in 1996, and only 4 in 1966.
The GP data
According to Brembo technicians who work closely with all Formula 1 teams, the 3.337 km Circuit de Monaco is classified as a medium-demanding track in terms of brake usage. On a difficulty scale from 1 to 5, it scores a 3.
Despite featuring 15 braking zones per lap, only 2 are rated as “High”, 6 as “Medium”, and 7 as “Light”. Each driver applies the brakes for a total of 19 seconds per lap—equivalent to 27% of total lap time.
• Brembo Identity Card, in PDF: https://www.brembogroup.com/en/media/media-library
• Video Hardest Braking Point, in .mp4: https://www.swisstransfer.com/d/7c5089b7-a373-4a61-a6a1-7095d7067a2b
• Link YT Hardest Braking Point: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfiiWoeTnL8
• Link web news: 5 facts about the Monaco GP of Formula 1 | Brembo EN
The toughest corner
The most challenging braking point on the Monaco circuit is Turn 10, the chicane following the tunnel. Here, F1 cars decelerate from 290 km/h to 96 km/h in just 2.06 seconds, covering 91 meters.
The braking system and drivers are pushed to the limit: maximum deceleration reaches 4.5 g, and the brake pedal force required is a hefty 145 kg. The braking power peaks at 2,184 kW.
From one to many
Since the 1980s, Brembo has supplied braking systems to multiple F1 teams. Initially, these components were standardized, but over time, they have evolved into bespoke solutions tailored to each car’s design characteristics. Brembo’s research into brake disc ventilation led to a dramatic increase in the number of holes in carbon brake rotors, which significantly reduced caliper and brake fluid temperatures, eliminating the brake pedal “fade” that was common 40 years ago.
trigun7469 said:I was watching the F1 2024 highlights, Perez in the 1/4 of the season was driving great, and as soon as McLaren started catching up it seemed like the car became undrivable for Perez.
Of course Ralph thinks Mick is better then all them...I am a fan of Mick but let's be real.
re Perez, look back to 2023 and before when Checo was the perfect number 2. He would be right there if Max faltered, got a few wins and brought in points.
re Mick, at Haas he was given a garbage truck and told/pressured to drive it like an F1 car. When you overdrive a car you will crash it. I think that when you see what Mick has done in WEC and without Steiner around he really deserves to have another shot at F1. In the RB#2, only if he wants to sink his career.
In reply to triumph7 :
Mick was a Ferrari development driver on loan to Haas. So it was more their decision than Haas.
In reply to alfadriver :
Once he was placed there by Ferrari it was all Steiner.
Yippy my least favorite race of the yr,the "track" makes a great time trial thing to watch quali but they might as well chain the team cars together and at least make it a spectacle.
Mandatory 2 pit stop race now,3 would likely be better :)
In reply to triumph7 :
Mick looked good when he was paired with Mazapan, but not so much when Nikki was booted and a better driver was paired up with him. So while I'm not a fan of Guenther, some of the blame for Mick does lay on his shoulders.
kevlarcorolla said:Yippy my least favorite race of the yr,the "track" makes a great time trial thing to watch quali but they might as well chain the team cars together and at least make it a spectacle.
Mandatory 2 pit stop race now,3 would likely be better :)
I'm going to be on the road during the race, so I'm just going to assume that quali order will be finishing order.
Make it a 2 stop race, but one of the stops has to be performed by a different (non-associated) team.
In reply to Keith Tanner :
Or another team picks the tires used,and inters and wets are on the list lol.
In reply to triumph7 :
Sainz wanting to go to RBR was convoluted, whether it was Helmut, Max, or Horner, I think carlos is better then Tsunado, Lawson and calipinto. I am not bashing Mick, but if he joins cadddy, drives good, Albon and Sainz have shown that you don't get rewarded, because the pipeline is with the upcoming younger drivers like Hadjar and Bearman.
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