The pilot flying J up the street from my house just installed new chargers. From GM Energy. This is the only place I've heard about them.
Some light googling shows "home solutions for EVs".
I've yet to see anyone at the chargers. My BIL, a Bolt owner, had never heard of them building charging stations.
So I'm mostly just curious. Competition for EA and Tesla chargers? GM just trying to standout? Anyone have any experiences charging with the system?
Tied in with EVGo I believe:
I've charged at a few of them. Prices are high, but they're fast and have pull-through layouts which are great for towing. 
Tom Suddard said:I've charged at a few of them. Prices are high, but they're fast and have pull-through layouts which are great for towing.
I didn't realize how much more expensive fast charging was over home charging, until I happened to catch the $ per KWH charge on a smoking tire video.
now that was also in Cali, so even higher, but when I looked at that math, I realized that EVs weren't nearly as cheap as roadtrip vehicles unless you bought something insanely efficient.
I was bemoaning to myself a few months ago, being annoyed I hadn't waited to buy something EV instead of my GX460, with the NACS adoption coming quicker than I expected, and prices coming down.
Now with understanding the road trip EV costs a lot better, and the implosion of Tesla's superchaging corporate team... I feel less let down.
my GX460 costs me on average under 20 cents a mile on roadtrips, my friends in their polestar 2 are in almost the same cost per mile on their roadtrips.
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I've posted equivalencies in the past - depending on the fluctuation of fuel prices, our older Model 3 costs about as much to road trip as an ICE that gets 40-ish mpg. Of course, most of the time it's charging at home.
Yeah, and the prices vary widely based on network and location, too. I've spent as little as $10 and as much as $70 to fully charge my truck. The average is somewhere around $.30-$.40 per kWh, or 2-3x what I pay at home. Of course, there are still free stations out there, and most networks have plans you can sign up for for discounts (Usually something like get a 25% discount on all charging in trade for a flat $10/month fee).
FWIW, off the top of my head I remember the station photographed above charging me something like $.60/kWh, while Tesla superchargers are usually more like $.36/kWh.
Keith Tanner said:In reply to spacecadet (Forum Supporter) :
I've posted equivalencies in the past - depending on the fluctuation of fuel prices, our older Model 3 costs about as much to road trip as an ICE that gets 40-ish mpg. Of course, most of the time it's charging at home.
yeah, that seems to be the exception more than the rule. The Model 3 is definitely one of the more efficient EVs out there.
I dug a little deeper into the road trip math here:
Yesterday's national average gas price for regular was $3.838, so this trip would have cost $255.87 in fuel in my old F-250. Or, to think about it another way, our cost was the same as road-tripping in a truck that gets 21.93 mpg. If we'd been able to start with a full charge of cheap house electricity, this equivalent fuel mileage would jump to 27.9 mpg. I guess that means I need to wire in a 240v outlet at my sister-in-law's house….
spacecadet (Forum Supporter) said:Keith Tanner said:In reply to spacecadet (Forum Supporter) :
I've posted equivalencies in the past - depending on the fluctuation of fuel prices, our older Model 3 costs about as much to road trip as an ICE that gets 40-ish mpg. Of course, most of the time it's charging at home.
yeah, that seems to be the exception more than the rule. The Model 3 is definitely one of the more efficient EVs out there.
Well, it's a modern sedan, so is 40-ish mpg is not far off what you'd hope to get on a road trip. That was with Supercharger costs in the 38-42 cent range IIRC.
Tom's numbers make it look like the Lightning isn't far off a normal truck either. So maybe we can say that EVs cost roughly the same to road trip as an ICE, but far less when you're charging at home. At least, that's the case right now. If gas takes another spike (or big drop), the math changes.
Keith Tanner said:spacecadet (Forum Supporter) said:Keith Tanner said:In reply to spacecadet (Forum Supporter) :
I've posted equivalencies in the past - depending on the fluctuation of fuel prices, our older Model 3 costs about as much to road trip as an ICE that gets 40-ish mpg. Of course, most of the time it's charging at home.
yeah, that seems to be the exception more than the rule. The Model 3 is definitely one of the more efficient EVs out there.
Well, it's a modern sedan, so is 40-ish mpg is not far off what you'd hope to get on a road trip. That was with Supercharger costs in the 38-42 cent range IIRC.
Tom's numbers make it look like the Lightning isn't far off a normal truck either. So maybe we can say that EVs cost roughly the same to road trip as an ICE, but far less when you're charging at home. At least, that's the case right now. If gas takes another spike (or big drop), the math changes.
yeah, the at home costs are low, or darn near zero if you have solar.
I am a BIG ev fan, my last business trip I opted for a Hyundai Kona EV over a Ram 1500 because I wanted to try it out and honestly had a blast driving it around for 3 days.
I think EVs are the future and PHEVs are a crutch to get the general public onboard.
when more brands have the integrated ownership and road trip experience that Tesla does, it's going to be a game changer for range anxiety.
There was also negotiations for Pilot truck stops installing EV chargers. That hasn't materialized yet.
How does it compare to Big Altima Energy?
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