Luke
Luke SuperDork
12/13/11 12:32 a.m.

Someone'll chime in with a proper answer soon.

However, what I've gathered from these threads in the past, is that everybody just basically wants to see cool E36 M3 at the Challenge, especially if it involves the kind of scratch-built DIY ingenuity you're talking about. So if you have the means, I'm sure nobody's going to discourage a tube-framed, fiberglass-bodied D-type.

Also, whatever happens, don't go scrapping awesome Jaguar body molds .

JoeyM
JoeyM SuperDork
12/13/11 5:31 a.m.

There is a "specials" class for locosts, zambonis, and tube frame cars. In the past, specials didn't compete against the other classes for trophies. You may want to let Per know what you are building to see if that rule gets changed.

[Full disclosure: my datsun replica will be a "specials" car]

SVreX
SVreX SuperDork
12/13/11 6:08 a.m.

FMV is essentially something you determine. Be honest. If it really has no value, scrap is a reasonable approach. Recent sold prices on E-Bay, or any other approach you can document is also acceptable. The point is to document it, not just claim it has no value.

The molds have NO value, unless you plan on leaving them on the car when it is running at the Challenge. Only parts actually on the car count.

If you buy 50 gal of resin but only use 1 gal, then the price is $X/50.

I would disagree about the glass and mat. It has the same value whether it is new or old.

Tube frames are not allowed, but can run in a separate exhibition class.

The point is to represent what someone else could actually build the car for. You can't use parts at a discounted rate because you had a unique opportunity no one else could have had (like your friend is willing to give you parts just because it is you, or the parts happen to be laying around your shop).

Hope that helps.

AngryCorvair
AngryCorvair SuperDork
12/13/11 8:33 a.m.

With SVreX providing answers like that, I can go back to lurking. He nailed it.

dyintorace
dyintorace SuperDork
12/13/11 8:45 a.m.

All that said, given your answers regarding Jags in the V12 Challenge thread, for the love of Pete, please do build a Jag Challenge car!! You obviously know your way around them and the results should be full of awesome!

carguy123
carguy123 SuperDork
12/13/11 8:58 a.m.

And where are you? If you don't want the molds I do.

itsarebuild
itsarebuild HalfDork
12/13/11 10:12 a.m.

the only thing i would ad to the original SVreX comments (based on your follow up question) is that the original rules required that the body panels and floor pans etc were required to stay in place except as required to fit swapped motors, trannies, suspension bits or to repair rust holes and damage. i think your assessment of the $300 to $150 cost as "scrap" by weight would be reasonably accurate.

if you swap all of the body panels for fiberglass i'd think that was legal as long as they reasonably resemble the originals. and as long as they are accounted for in the budget. as far as a FMV goes for the mat, i don't think it would be fair to say that they are free since your affiliation with a particular race team provided you with access to the material that others would not have. so in fairness i think it should be accounted for some how. maybe you could find someone selling surplus on ebay or craigslist and use the sf cost of that advertised, sold at auction material as a sf cost basis for yours?

i would do the same for a traded for transmission that you have in storage....

dyintorace
dyintorace SuperDork
12/13/11 10:13 a.m.

Could you build something that looked like one of these? Pretty please??

93EXCivic
93EXCivic SuperDork
12/13/11 10:15 a.m.
itsarebuild wrote: if you swap all of the body panels for fiberglass i'd think that was legal as long as they reasonably resemble the originals. and as long as they are accounted for in the budget.

I don't think they would have to resemble the originals too much. Look at the Nelson's yellow bug.

93EXCivic
93EXCivic SuperDork
12/13/11 10:15 a.m.

Oh please build a Broadspeed Jag replica!!!!!!!!!!!!!

itsarebuild
itsarebuild HalfDork
12/13/11 10:25 a.m.
93EXCivic wrote:
itsarebuild wrote: if you swap all of the body panels for fiberglass i'd think that was legal as long as they reasonably resemble the originals. and as long as they are accounted for in the budget.

I don't think they would have to resemble the originals too much. Look at the Nelson's yellow bug.

what? you dont consider that to be reasonable?

this is GRM!

spitfirebill
spitfirebill SuperDork
12/13/11 10:33 a.m.

For FMV could you not consider the $100 the junk man would give you if he came to your property and picked up the car to be FMV?

Ian F
Ian F SuperDork
12/13/11 11:07 a.m.

+1 on D-type mold interest...

itsarebuild
itsarebuild HalfDork
12/13/11 12:52 p.m.
spitfirebill wrote: For FMV could you not consider the $100 the junk man would give you if he came to your property and picked up the car to be FMV?

i would think it would be more than $100. $300 to $400 is the advertised rate here, and they will even push back on smaller cars (read not an SUV) with missing parts......but assuming he has some justification for it... maybe pictures of posted signs for $100 pick up or something in his area, that would probably work.

SVreX
SVreX SuperDork
12/13/11 8:46 p.m.

In reply to mguar:

Your questions are more detailed than most answers. It's obvious you get this game. Now stop talking about it and get to work!

SVreX
SVreX SuperDork
12/13/11 9:00 p.m.
93EXCivic wrote:
itsarebuild wrote: if you swap all of the body panels for fiberglass i'd think that was legal as long as they reasonably resemble the originals. and as long as they are accounted for in the budget.

I don't think they would have to resemble the originals too much. Look at the Nelson's yellow bug.

I don't have the rules handy, so I'm doing this from memory. My details are off a bit.

IIRC, the yellow bug prompted a rules change. At the time it appeared, the rule said the body parts had to be present. They were. The rear fenders were moved inboard and built around while the front fenders were used to patch rusted floors, etc.

After that, the rule was modified to essentially say that that the body parts (or reasonable facsimiles) needed to be on the car in their original location. An exception was made for post war cars (blah blah blah)... bolted fenders (blah blah)- (it closed the door for for fenders to be removed from cars that the fender was integral to the shape of the car, but kept open wheels possible for Bugs and a few others).

I understand this to mean that something resembling a fender should be where the fender belongs, but is no prohibition to flares, fiberglass, or other modifications.

Go for it!

mndsm
mndsm SuperDork
12/13/11 9:08 p.m.
mguar wrote:
carguy123 wrote: And where are you? If you don't want the molds I do.

I'm a damn Yankee from the North (Minnesota) (yep that state that's up on top of you Texans ) Not going to throw away the molds but Might be persuaded to run an extra set of parts off for you.. Are you interested in building a "D" type V12 autocrosser?

If you DO ever get rid of those, I know I would, or several other of my car friends, would be happy to take those off your hands. And I happen to be from MN.

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