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RichardSIA
RichardSIA HalfDork
6/25/21 9:46 p.m.

Arthritis getting worse, threats of a looming EV'pocalipse, fixed income. Enthusiast sector aging out so losing my "Investment"?  Not the best recipe for long term automotive happiness.

So got to wondering what I would do if The Powers That Be mandated a fixed limit on the number of ICE vehicles private parties are allowed to own. I currently have almost twenty with most being projects/parts to some degree or another. All are old enough to require maintenance and the "Extended Warranty" folk hang up on me when I try to sign them up. wink

A couple of years ago I resolved to cease getting more cars but allowed myself upgrade trades. That went as most such resolutions do, but just this morning I did manage to NOT get a complete $500 Porsche 914.

My list of five (Random number to keep it possible, one or two would be more likely.) seems to be falling into line with mostly how much effort I have already invested. Not just dollars, effort to restore or obtain.

So at the moment it would be The '68 El Camino, Dio-Tipo Alfa (Vintage Racer kit car), Trick-6 (GT6-Buick V6), Lotus Europa S2 "Gordini", and either a hot-rod TR6 with original engine on Webers etc., or the Tatum Crusader 2-place/Suzuki 1.3. The last choice is hard, I'm pretty committed to both.

Surprised myself to see that the Land Rover 101, '78 Alfa Spider, MGB and many others do not make the cut.

If limited to just one I think it would mean war, unless I could somehow regain an XKE or XK120 roadster!

Mostly just a thought exercise so no need or desire to have to defend my list.

How would others fare?

 

ShawnG
ShawnG UltimaDork
6/25/21 10:47 p.m.

1934 Packard Twelve Coupe Roadster

Morris Minor Traveller

Bugeye Sprite

'06 Ford GT

'57 Fuelie Corvette

 

We had a series 2 E-type in inventory at work, If you're over about 5'6, they're horribly overrated. The AH3000 BJ8 is a much better car.

RichardSIA
RichardSIA HalfDork
6/25/21 10:52 p.m.

If you actually own those I am envious of four and miss the two I once had.

captdownshift (Forum Supporter)
captdownshift (Forum Supporter) UltimaDork
6/25/21 11:03 p.m.

Model S Plaid, straight line luxury and speed

Taycan Turbo, a sporting GT cruiser

New F150 Lightening. For having power at the worksite and hauling.

Mustang Mach E, daily driving and family hauling

The hybrid Miata when it comes out. 

 

 

There's an old adage in racing that if you're not scared you're not going fast enough. If a vehicle lacks a visceral feel or response at rates of acceleration and other perfo that you feel is adequate, it is because the vehicle is pushing you and your abilities and your mind further with regards to what it's feels it's capable of then you're pushing the vehicle. Enough seat time and you'll adapt and become skilled enough behind the wheel to push the vehicle again, instead of merely being along for the ride, maybe even start to instill the tingle of fear. 

 

ShawnG
ShawnG UltimaDork
6/25/21 11:12 p.m.
RichardSIA said:

If you actually own those I am envious of four and miss the two I once had.

I have none of those. I wasn't aware that was a requirement.

If it's five I own then I don't really care about my car. It's an appliance.

The five would be motorcycles that I do own: Moto Guzzi 850 LeMans, Moto Guzzi Stelvio, Ducati 860GT, BMW R80RT and the wife's Vespa.

RichardSIA
RichardSIA HalfDork
6/25/21 11:27 p.m.

My own list are all cars I do own but I never stated you had to own what is on your list.

Only trouble is that in the stated scenario of mandated limits I do not see how anyone gets to acquire anything new. It's just a speculation exercise for amusement purposes so there are no wrong answers. Even EV. 

WonkoTheSane
WonkoTheSane SuperDork
6/25/21 11:43 p.m.

If I could only have one, that's easy:  A mint version of my 2005 Chrysler town and country touring.  I need at least that to haul my family, better than my truck at everything but plowing.

90BuickCentury
90BuickCentury Reader
6/26/21 6:50 a.m.

An LLC is a "private party" and can be set up for like $100. So, if I want more than 5 cars, I set up more than 1 LLC. 

RevRico
RevRico UltimaDork
6/26/21 7:00 a.m.

Rivian truck

Model S plaid

FC rx7

Diesel excursion

First gen Bronco

bobzilla
bobzilla MegaDork
6/26/21 8:18 a.m.

I mean, I'm already mandated to a maximum of 4 so this isn't really a stretch. I'll approach this with a "fire takes out my whole fleet and we have to buy new". 

Wife needs a daily, something nice and gets decent fuel economy. I'd probably put her into a newer Sonata or K5. They get pretty close to what her Rio gets now and are roomier, nicer and a good distance car. It would double as our "lets drive to Philly/Gainesville to see family" car.

We need a utility vehicle of some form to replace the 06 Sierra. Neither of us like the new FS offerings, so we'd likely replace it with a 2wd CC Canyon V6. Tows 6k lbs, has a bed for smelly/messy stuff and room for 5 (or us and 2 large dogs) inside. 

I'd need something fun, but economical and a hoot on track. I REALLY want an i20N but the chances of that making it here ever are pretty slim. I'd be looking at a '19 Elantra Sport or a Forte GT with the last of the manuals and the 1.6T. 

Lastly... I'd finish my 78 C10. As much as I think I'll sell it I know I won't. Completely redo the suspension with the ridetech kits front and rear. Finish the interior with a nice intage air unit. Paint it and enjoy a nice fun hot-roddish truck.

SVreX (Forum Supporter)
SVreX (Forum Supporter) MegaDork
6/26/21 8:30 a.m.

5 car limit?  My cars are all in pieces. I'm pretty sure if I put all the pieces together there wouldn't be 5 complete cars, so I'm good. 
 

1 car limit?  Always gonna be a crew cab truck. 

AaronT
AaronT Reader
6/26/21 10:30 a.m.

Well, this thread is a fever dream flounder of obvious bent starting with OP. Given that, I find it hilarious how many electrified vehicles feature in the responses.

Boxster Spyder

EV for running around town for cheap

Tow pig

Avalon hybrid or Lexus equivalent for quiet comfy highway miles

Race karts for track days and racing

 

 

itsarebuild
itsarebuild Dork
6/26/21 11:32 a.m.

I have 5 now and already want to reduce that to 3. That of course doesn't count my wife's Subaru or the two trailers.

Tom1200
Tom1200 SuperDork
6/26/21 1:07 p.m.

This would be easy for me as I am already doing that.

Camper Van for towing. If I added 4wd to it that would make it perfect.

Outback; its perfect for hualing parts and exploring old ghost towns and the like.

Datsun 1200; its four wheel drifty goodness, at some point we'll do some sort of engine swap to give it more power. I really want to do a Cosworth BDA-BDG. 

Formula 500; this is my nirvana open wheel car. I get all of the single seater experience without the car being labor intensive.

The wife's Santa Fe; this is a surprisingly good car and she really likes it. In 100k it's only needed a starter. If we swapped it we'd just get her a new one or possibly a mini van.

So for the moment I'm really happy with the fleet.

nocones
nocones UberDork
6/26/21 1:33 p.m.

The enthusiast sector isn't aging out.  Your particular brand of enthusiast may be but overall the enthusiast is alive and well.  

For me I would have an electric conversion project car, a (probably gas) camper, a Daily for me, daily for wife, and probably a electric converted samurai for toad duties behind the camper.   

I would also probably like to have a kart or Single seater electric or gas for track work. 

There is no reason to be scared of the performance vehicle future.  The success of selling vehicles based on statistics guarantees that.  If anything modification will become simpler once the EPA has no say over electric motor emissions.  It sure has made the idea of a vehicle startup easier.  

Pete Gossett (Forum Supporter)
Pete Gossett (Forum Supporter) MegaDork
6/26/21 6:59 p.m.

One vehicle: that's easy, I'm keeping the ex-GRM van. 
 

Five vehicles: in addition to the van, some kind of AWD turbo boost-buggy, a Honda Fit of one generation or another, a Lotus Europa, and probably some cheap manual beater for me. 

L5wolvesf
L5wolvesf HalfDork
6/26/21 7:10 p.m.

Are tow vehicles and motorcycles outside the 5? Asking for a friend.

P3PPY
P3PPY Dork
6/26/21 9:09 p.m.

I like the idea of one of each: car, truck, van, jeep-ish thing.

I like the Z4, I'd take one with a stick. 

Truck and van can be merged into a shuttle bus. Towing and hauling all in one. 

4 door Jeep for family convenience. 
 

Then...something electric since torque feels AWESOME

And a limo. 

93EXCivic
93EXCivic MegaDork
6/26/21 10:25 p.m.

Assuming money is no issue

The most fuel efficient pickup I can find with a 5000lb towing capcity. (Towing Civic plus truck stuff)

My Civic built with K swap (autocross car)

A Suzuki Alto Work RSR (weekend driver)

Unsure what as a daily. Really I want the height and space of my Element (to be able to slide a bike in) but with electric. I guess if we are dreaming I could have something figured out to electrify my Element. 

Jaguar I-Pace for the wife. 

RichardSIA
RichardSIA HalfDork
6/27/21 12:28 a.m.

Hmm, interesting cross-section of vehicles. Too small a sample for significant trend but does seem to have a flavor.

I have no idea what many of these cars are as I really do not track almost anything made after about 1974. 

Thread confirmed my notion that I really do not fit here for the most part, so spent the day deleting old post that were not relevant to my core interest as posted in the OP.

Will work even harder to avoid all EV annoyances here, need to spend much more time in the shop with my ICE cars while it's still legal and parts are not restricted to the black market where they will be unaffordable. sad

Fairly certain a fair percentage of those EV's are an attempt to yank my chain. laugh

P3PPY
P3PPY Dork
6/27/21 9:13 a.m.

I'm sorry you're feeling excluded here, man. I get that, I've read a few comments here and there about things I care about and my annoyance is something I have to push past since there's enough other good stuff happening on this forum with enough other people who share my basic core interest of "cars" -- and at the same time remind myself that because someone disagrees with me, they're not bad, nor are they saying I am bad.

Im reminded of a post a while back by someone who wandered into a low rider show despite having no previous interest. IIRC, he was surprised to discover that it's just a bunch of car guys. They enjoy cars differently, but they are car guys nonetheless. My hope is that that perspective can take the edge off for you.  
 

For what it's worth, I was not trying to yank your chain. 

ProDarwin
ProDarwin MegaDork
6/27/21 10:36 a.m.

Right now I would have a hard time justifying a thing beyond a Ford Maverick.

If someone else is paying the cost and maintenance of the rest of the cars, I'll take an overland vehicle, a brz/370z/similar, and that's about it.

wspohn
wspohn SuperDork
6/27/21 11:18 a.m.

Pontiac Solstice GXP coupe

BMW Z4M coupe

Jensen Interceptor

MGA Twin Cam

rebodied MGA with V6 power

Curtis73 (Forum Supporter)
Curtis73 (Forum Supporter) MegaDork
6/27/21 5:36 p.m.

If the carpocalypse hits and I wanted 5 in my stable:

- 67 LeMans convertible done up in a modern pro-touring style (have the car, but not the resto yet)
- LLY/LBZ duramax pickup, preferably long bed reg cab
- 00-03 Jag Super V8
- Reliable motorcycle (have it)
- first-gen NSX

irish44j (Forum Supporter)
irish44j (Forum Supporter) MegaDork
6/27/21 9:48 p.m.

I currently have five cars (not counting my wife's crossover and the old tow rig that is all but sold), and to be honest I'm pretty happy with my stable at the moment and not on the hunt for any "next" project (granted, I just bought my new tow rig, so that will keep me busy for a while).

I have a rule that I won't own two cars that "are for the same thing" becuase if I have multiple "same thing" cars, then I just find that I like one better than the other(s) and drive that one, and not the others. So I have specific cars for specific things:

1. Tow/big utility vehicle (2010 Sequoia, replacing a 2005) - something good for hauling stuff, but I don't want to daily-drive a big-ass truck

2. Daily driver (2018 GTI) - I don't need my daily to be anything crazy, just something pleasant to drive to work that doesn't give me any drama.

3. (Actual) race car - in my case, the e30, which is a stage rally car but could easily do track stuff with a suspension swap. It is street legal, but not  often driven on the street.

4. Road trip car (Porsche 924S) The GTI is very good, but a dull road-tripper. But I want a road trip car that has character, gets decent MPGs, and is reasonably quick and fun to drive. 

5. Off-road toy (1989 Dodge Raider M/T) some people do double-duty on this with their big truck or road-trip vehicle, or whatever. For me, the Raider is primarily for actual off-roading (not Jeep mall-crawling), though it's pretty fun to drive so I find myself scooting to Home Depot on the weekend in it or whatever, when I don't need the big truck for whatever I'm getting.

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Now, I can certainly think of a car in each of those categories that would be my "money no option" ideal thing.

1. Tow rig: Honestly, probably just a 2021 Sequoia. There are things that tow better, but I don't need "excessive"

2. Daily driver: using the criteria above, it would probably be some kind of hatchback that's quicker than a GTI. Maybe just a Golf R. Nothign exotic.

3. Race car: I mean, I'm close: I'd love a Patrick Snijers-spec e30 M3 rally car....or a Martini Lancia Delta rally car. 

4. Road tripper: I'm thinking a Cayman R. The idea of long road trips in a Porsche just appeals to me. Or maybe a 90s 5-series wagon with a full M5 drivetrain swap, or something. IDK. 

5. Off-roader: ideal? For capability, a 06-07 Land Cruiser would be up there as an ideal offroad/overland rig thanks to reliability, space, looks cool, and super-capable. Not a Jeep. If I went old, maybe an FJ40 or something, but that's fairly comparable to what I have now. Or a 90s G-Wagen with all the offroad goodies. 

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