Duke
Duke MegaDork
10/26/18 2:05 p.m.

I'm doing some bench shopping for my eventual replacement of the TSX.  I probably won't buy for at least a year, but I like to look (who doesn't?).  As an excercise, I've been open-searching by these criteria:

  • Price range is around $40,000 +/- a little. 
  • Midsize sedan or wagon, no SUVs / SAVs / CUVs / designation-du-jour. 
  • AWD preferred.

Jaguar XEs and XFs are in the upper part of my budget.  Mostly in the Premium trim. 

I don't know anything about these, but they look pretty good.  What does the hive say?

Can someone Cliff Notes the difference between XE and XF for me?  Both look like midsize sedans.

Thanks!

Duke
Duke MegaDork
10/26/18 2:20 p.m.
Duke said:

Can someone Cliff Notes the difference between XE and XF for me?  Both look like midsize sedans.

Ah, looks like the XF is the same chassis but slightly longer and slightly higher.  Kind of like the S60 Dynamic vs. Inscription.

And Bob bless Jaguar - they discuss towing capacity of both cars (luxury sedans, mind you), in big print, right on the first page of the model information site.  That's awesome.

Sonic
Sonic UltraDork
10/26/18 2:35 p.m.

XE is notably smaller, like 3 series.  XF is more like a 5 series. 

 

They sure are pretty.  We’re looking at a lightly used XF sportbrake for Mrs. Sonics next car.  They are already down to $50k used for less than a year with under 10k miles. 

tr8todd
tr8todd Dork
10/26/18 3:12 p.m.

Jags depreciate fast.  I was looking at a mint 10 year old XKR with 34K miles.  Never seen rain or snow.  Owned by an older couple as a toy for their summer house on the cape.  That car was 100K new.  I could have gotten it for $15K.  Wife wants another Range Rover and not another convertible, so the hunt continues.

Duke
Duke MegaDork
10/26/18 3:24 p.m.

As just mentioned in the Alfa thread, whatever I buy will have a 10-15 year tenure in my fleet.  Depreciation curves suck, but I will power through it to the flat part, assuming I buy new.  It's not like I'll be trading it in after 36-48 months and getting hammered on the residual value.

Duke
Duke MegaDork
10/27/18 9:53 a.m.

So, anybody ever drive one?  How are they?

And since Alfas are a massive implosion waiting to happen, how reliable are the Jags?

STM317
STM317 SuperDork
10/27/18 11:45 a.m.
Duke said:

So, anybody ever drive one?  How are they?

And since Alfas are a massive implosion waiting to happen, how reliable are the Jags?

Not sure how much weight you put in rankings from JD Power or Consumer Reports, but neither one has been kind to Jaguars recent models when it comes to quality rankings.

CR only had sufficient data for the F Pace, but it ranked "much worse than average" with infotainment issues and differential leaks being the most common complaints:

 https://www.consumerreports.org/car-reliability-owner-satisfaction/who-makes-the-most-reliable-cars/

poopshovel again
poopshovel again MegaDork
10/28/18 5:33 a.m.
Sonic said:

XE is notably smaller, like 3 series.  XF is more like a 5 series. 

 

They sure are pretty.  We’re looking at a lightly used XF sportbrake for Mrs. Sonics next car.  They are already down to $50k used for less than a year with under 10k miles. 

 

I support this decision. Man those are good looking.

Devilsolsi
Devilsolsi Reader
10/29/18 2:51 p.m.

My dad has a 2009 (i think) XF. His has the 5.0 v8. It is big, and heavy and feels it's weight. But it is also beautiful and very comfortable and the engine sounds awesome. I guess it depends on what you are buying it for. Great car for cruising on the highway. Wouldn't be so great on tight, twisty roads.

 

The XE seems really small. I was excited when they announced it, but I just can't seem to get excited by that car.

Duke
Duke MegaDork
10/29/18 10:07 p.m.

In reply to Devilsolsi :

Thanks for the input.  I generally prefer smaller cars, so I'll try an XE and see what I think.  I don't need or want too much space, just enough for a few adults to be comfortable.  We have a van for longer trips with more people.

captdownshift
captdownshift PowerDork
10/30/18 5:41 a.m.

Go pre owned, prior to 2018 could get the XE in a diesel, manual, rwd. Now they're all autos. 

Rick O'Shea
Rick O'Shea New Reader
10/30/18 12:13 p.m.

I have owned a 2009 XF Supercharged (RWD only) since 2012. It's an amazing car.

Plusses-

Comfortable, quiet, fast!, looks amazing.

It gets reasonable gas mileage for a 420hp/5000lb vehicle (21mpg average).

It crushes highway trips with ease.

We even put snow tires on it and used it as our mountain ski vehicle for one year. It did great on mountain snow and ice.

The interior has held up very nicely to 100k miles of use.

Easy to service (oil, belts, brakes, etc)

Minuses-

Depreciation.

Tire cost (ours has the factory 20" wheels), I'm only on my 3rd set since purchase though.

Crappy TPMS system (no actual pressures, frequent system faults and warnings despite correct pressures and new sensors)

A couple minor and intermittent interior rattles that I haven't figured out (one in the sunroof, one in the driver's door)

 

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