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patgizz
patgizz PowerDork
1/15/16 9:55 p.m.

i will caretake/autocross your Z while you're gone

Jeff
Jeff SuperDork
1/15/16 10:09 p.m.

We all need to move to berkeleying Europe!

mad_machine
mad_machine MegaDork
1/15/16 11:23 p.m.
chiodos wrote: Lada niva, early evo, or any one of the rwd volvos.

+1 on the Niva

oldopelguy
oldopelguy UltraDork
1/16/16 4:26 a.m.

If you find a Suzuki Cappuccino that can be imported when you come back I'll give you my down payment now for buying it when you are done with it over there.

JohnRW1621
JohnRW1621 MegaDork
1/16/16 7:12 a.m.

The Volvo 480, shown in red was promised to the US market but never arrived.
Sold from '86 to '95, be sure to choose one that will be 25 yrs old upon your return, as recommended by Javelin earlier.

JohnRW1621
JohnRW1621 MegaDork
1/16/16 7:27 a.m.

I do agree with microb's idea of take some American Iron in with you and then take something European out.
Sure, 1965 Mustang sounds cool for big cash outlay but I'll bet even a '89 Trans Am that can be bought relatively cheap here can be turned into big return there.

Adrian_Thompson
Adrian_Thompson UltimaDork
1/16/16 8:27 a.m.

I'll 2nd and 3rd the 205 GTI (BTW. OP is wrong. They look awesome the best looking hot hatch of the 80's) Or the Volvo 480 turbo. One more Uber Uber rare, and MG Metro turbo. Tiny hot hatch, probably less than 100 left running though.

Hungary Bill
Hungary Bill UltraDork
1/16/16 8:28 a.m.

Lada Niva then run the Budapest to Bamako

http://www.budapestbamako.org/en

https://www.youtube.com/embed/rSNhcAUUGA8

physician
physician New Reader
1/16/16 8:49 a.m.

I dont know about availability or prices but here is my list -peugeot 206 gti -ford rwd escort or sierra -earlt golf mk2 4wd -rover metro with stock honda b16 engine -various 5speed turbo volvo 240 including gt -clean lada niva -mg tf (may not be that reliable) -renault avantime -renault sport spider Caterham and renault spider are probably out of your budget..

physician
physician New Reader
1/16/16 8:55 a.m.

Buy that and bring it back as a 2018 challenge car.

http://m.ooyyo.com/norway/c=CD35057114D9854F111B926FAA682D53EDA2/-162144673931801380.html/

physician
physician New Reader
1/16/16 9:00 a.m.

Or.. ill just leave that here.. http://m.ooyyo.com/norway/c=CD35057114DD854F111B926FAA6B2D53EDA2/-2899114765107164096.html/

A better example should be hunted though..

ol doc gully
ol doc gully New Reader
1/16/16 9:25 a.m.
Hungary Bill wrote: For old urban vehicles with lots of character: Fiat 126 (or 126p for sure), Lada 1200, trabant 601, the Skoda 100, I say get something small, trust me you don't want a big car in Europe I wouldn't ever try to take any of the above on a highway. They wont make it past 100kph or so without a fuss. For newer urban vehicles: Seat Ibiza (basically a spanish golf), VW polo, Fiat Panda... lots of options. You'll find these small euro-boxes are awesome urban vehicles (especially the Panda) and get AWESOME gas milage, but kind of peter out at about 130kph (well, except the Seat. I've had the Seat up to 200kph.). I think the Fiat Bravo fits in this category and does just fine on the highways. For an outer urban vehicle I'd go with a wagon (kombi). Audi A4, BMW 3-series, etc. We had an A4 TDI that got darn near 50mpg. Loved it. Lots of fine german autos out there, at very nice prices. As for the Alfas, and the french cars I'm kind of biased. The french tend to be high on tech, "quirky", and not always reliable. The new Alfas tend to be larger Fiats. Not saying they aren't out there, but they didn't have my attention Congrats on the gig man. And welcome to car heaven (try not to spend all your money at once)

Awesome! Thank you for the input. I'm still researching each of these, but so far they seem a bit on the practical end of what I'm thinking though. I havent resolved whether it will be worth it to live directly downtown but likely really won't have much urban need for the car as the train system is quite sufficient, i at least intend to use it for my work commute. I'm thinking more 'get out and drive' in the summer car, maybe take a long road trip, not really sure but definitely leaning more toward fun to drive and unique/cool than practical. But i really do appreciate the input to help start the brainstorming, I'm really not too familiar with EDM's unique offerings.

ol doc gully
ol doc gully New Reader
1/16/16 9:59 a.m.

Awesome, really do appreciate all the input!

I'm adding a list of suggestions to the first post i'll keep updating for my own reference.

JohnRW1621 wrote: I do agree with microb's idea of take some American Iron in with you and then take something European out. Sure, 1965 Mustang sounds cool for big cash outlay but I'll bet even a '89 Trans Am that can be bought relatively cheap here can be turned into big return there.

itd have to be fairly big return to be worth the hassle for me honestly, i had thought of that but not sure how it would be any different (financially) than someone over there importing one, in which case besides my better ability to hunt and peck in finding one?

Adrian_Thompson wrote: I'll 2nd and 3rd the 205 GTI (BTW. OP is wrong. They look awesome the best looking hot hatch of the 80's) Or the Volvo 480 turbo. One more Uber Uber rare, and MG Metro turbo. Tiny hot hatch, probably less than 100 left running though.

haha, well its a subjective opinion, but yes, there's a reason its on my original list. to some degree I appreciate that theres not much more uniquely EDM than a fun, quirky tiny little hatch, but its just not the kind of thing that floats my boat.

oldopelguy wrote: If you find a Suzuki Cappuccino that can be imported when you come back I'll give you my down payment now for buying it when you are done with it over there.

i like it - find me some details on importing if you want, suzuki capuccino is now on the list

patgizz wrote: i will caretake/autocross your Z while you're gone

haha still painfully torn on what to do with it while i'm gone, but fairly certain i cant bring myself to sell it, not yet at least.

Appleseed wrote: Cosworth Escort. Ufdah!

i wonder how affordable cosworths are, that would be FANTASTIC... and that actually reminds me, i should definitely add the Merc 190E to the list, i think the EDM versions at least at a power output bump

Slippery wrote: Where in Norway? Get one of these, they are everywhere:

oslo, office is specifically in hovik

NGTD wrote: Please get a MkII Escort!

oh yes, i think it and EVO 5/6 are pretty much top of the list right now

bmw88rider wrote: You will want to get something small on the engine front. 5-10K will not get you much after tax. You will have a budget around 50K krone to play with and leave you room to register the car and pay all of the taxes. http://www.ooyyo.com/norway/used-cars-for-sale/c=CDA31D7114D3854F111B926FB6142253CCA20A7037D3/ With that said....Alfa but I'm just crazy like that. Any Alfa.

Yeah i have yet to figure out taxes but have looked up some prices and should be able to find something decent in this range. If i can find something that fits the bill perfectly i would be more willing to extend the budget - the big question in that regard is if it would be worthwhile to sell my truck to open up some cash, because i would need to start the ball rolling on that if so (that is actually the main cause of this thread). What alfa? I'm a fan, and would just expect it to not be reliable.

chiodos wrote: Lada niva, early evo, or any one of the rwd volvos.

The lada niva keeps popping up, im researching it and adding to the list, would be cool for moutain exploration. Give me some volvo model numbers to look up!

physician wrote: Buy that and bring it back as a 2018 challenge car. http://m.ooyyo.com/norway/c=CD35057114D9854F111B926FAA682D53EDA2/-162144673931801380.html/

yeah somebody asked what the norwegian autotrader was, so far that website is the closest ive found (in english)

physician wrote: I dont know about availability or prices but here is my list -peugeot 206 gti -ford rwd escort or sierra -earlt golf mk2 4wd -rover metro with stock honda b16 engine -various 5speed turbo volvo 240 including gt -clean lada niva -mg tf (may not be that reliable) -renault avantime -renault sport spider Caterham and renault spider are probably out of your budget..

This is a good list, glad you mentioned peugeot 206 in addition to 205. Whats with the avantime?? It keeps coming up but what am i missing? It doesnt appear particularly pretty or fun (?)

Slippery
Slippery Dork
1/16/16 10:15 a.m.

Thats very nice! Are you moving by yourself or family?

ol doc gully
ol doc gully New Reader
1/16/16 10:20 a.m.

not finding as much as i hoped through that ooyyo website, unsurprisingly, i'm going to have to start diggin into the nordic stuffs

ol doc gully
ol doc gully New Reader
1/16/16 10:23 a.m.

In reply to Slippery:

family (consisting of girlfriend and dog) are likely to come. the fact that i dont have kids (or a morgage) yet is a big driver for 'welp, might as well!'

The0retical
The0retical Dork
1/16/16 10:26 a.m.

Did we get this far and no one mentioned a TVR? You should buy a TVR and report on how it tried to kill you that day.

Wall-e
Wall-e MegaDork
1/16/16 10:49 a.m.

I like the looks of the 205 but since you don't and its your money I would look at a Cosworth Escort.

BoxheadTim
BoxheadTim UltimaDork
1/16/16 11:55 a.m.

One thing to keep in mind is that the Scandinavian countries tend to have pretty high import taxes or car import taxes, although Norway seems to be the lowest of the three by fair margin, so it might not affect used car prices that much.

Mk1/Mk2 Escorts are likely to be out of your budget unless you're looking for one of the cooking 1.1L models or similar.

You're likely to find the best supply of early-ish Evos and other JDM goodness in the UK. A friend of mine there occasionally buys Evos and the like for his cousins in Sweden and sends them over because they're just not that readily available in Sweden (and expensive if/when they are).

My suggestions for JDM goodness, all should be available in the UK (although you need to check how hard they are to import into Norway):

  • Evos as you already mentioned
  • Mitsubishi Legnum, aka the Evo for grownups. Proper stealth speed
  • Subaru Legacy GT-B, competition to the Legnum

I did like the two Alfa 156s I owned, personally if I were in the market I'd get the 2L, the V6 was a tad too nose heavy for me.

TVRs are again readily available in the UK, although I probably wouldn't want to drive one in a Norwegian winter. I'd also look at the other UK small manufacturers like GTM, Ginetta, Marcos etc.

I mean, what's not to like about a GTM Libra:

Other than the fact that you'll be in Norway for quite a while before you can bring it back (they're early to mid 2000s cars).

Re Skylines - they're not that common in the rest of Europe, but again you'll find a ready supply of R32s - R34s in the UK. They were actually officially sold there, but most of the ones you can find are imports. Not a bad thing either, they use a lot of salt in the UK so UKDM cars tend to suffer from rust more than later imports.

bmw88rider
bmw88rider Dork
1/16/16 2:16 p.m.

In talking with a friend that just moved there, taxes are really high there. He paid almost what he paid for the car in taxes. It was nothing fancy either. It was just a VW polo. So just be prepared for that.

http://www.vegvesen.no/en/Home

That should at least give you an idea. There is like a 25% VAT to bring in a car from outside norway from what he said. All and all, unless it's an EV expect to pay a lot.

Not to be debbie downer, just being realistic. Europe is not a cheap place to live.

BoxheadTim
BoxheadTim UltimaDork
1/16/16 2:20 p.m.

VAT is generally a lot higher in Europe than sales tax (only equivalent-ish tax) in the US. 20% is more or less the floor on that.

ol doc gully
ol doc gully New Reader
1/16/16 2:40 p.m.

In reply to Wall-e:

the 205 is a good looking mini hatch, its just that i dont like the looks of mini hatches. but it is high in the running and honestly something im increasingly warming up to.

cosworth escort i like a lot, trying to get a feel for prices though as that may be a hinderence as BoxheadTim pointed out

ol doc gully
ol doc gully New Reader
1/16/16 2:42 p.m.
bmw88rider wrote: In talking with a friend that just moved there, taxes are really high there. He paid almost what he paid for the car in taxes. It was nothing fancy either. It was just a VW polo. So just be prepared for that. http://www.vegvesen.no/en/Home That should at least give you an idea. There is like a 25% VAT to bring in a car from outside norway from what he said. All and all, unless it's an EV expect to pay a lot. Not to be debbie downer, just being realistic. Europe is not a cheap place to live.

an EV isnt actually out of the running either, but i wasnt going to complicate the discussion here. i actually work with lithium-ion and energy storage technologies and will be going there with specific focus on that

but yeah ive actually gone there many times before for work and everything is expensive, and taxes are high. was also wondering what taxes on old (high pollution) cars would be - so thanks very much, was needing to get started on that and that website seems like it has exactly what i was needing to start figuring it out.

were the high taxes he paid from the annual motor vehicle tax and road toll or for the actual sale? i cant seem to find much on that website on actual sales/VAT tax, or much less for how that works for private party sale

ol doc gully
ol doc gully New Reader
1/16/16 2:45 p.m.

In reply to BoxheadTim:

i was all with you on the idea of importing from UK except when you pointed out how high import taxes are followed by how much salt they use hahah

ol doc gully
ol doc gully New Reader
1/16/16 3:32 p.m.

well this is certainly useful: http://www.expatarrivals.com/norway/buying-a-car-in-norway

also it suggests finn.no for shopping: http://m.finn.no/car/used/search.html

found a 205, 10,000 kr, which is like $1200, ha!! taxes should be low on these too since they are based on weight and engine size http://m.finn.no/car/used/ad.html?finnkode=67516631&model=1.796.1272&make=0.796&ref=fas

so far the sport models appear to be where the big cost jump comes in. EVOs and cosworth escorts appear to be over $20k.

turbo subarus arent quite that high, merc 190s arent bad either

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