Rallycross SR or PR cars?

MR2?

Has anyone seriously campaigned an S14 at any prep level?

The 944's get my attention, too.

edit: s15, but damn. yummy! http://www.tunedinternational.com/feature-cars/tims-rally-spec-nissan-s15-silvia/

didn't read it, but 37 pages of s14: http://forums.nicoclub.com/official-nicoclub-s-rally-car-lets-go-play-in-the-dirt-t457229-1080.html and their facebook: https://www.facebook.com/FinnishFury

Josh, there's a 944 running with us in MR this weekend, so I guess we'll see how it does. I haven't heard that they're terribly fast in a some other regions I've read about, but who knows.

Evan, if you want to drive to events on street tires, why not go back to pulling your trailer? It's only once a year you really need to long-haul it, right?

Either way, if you leave MR you will never have beaten me lol....j/k

I also have a secret agenda for trying a different class. I'll still run MR regionally no matter what and I'm not selling the Miata (unless someone wants to pay me too much money for it).

EvanB wrote: I also have a secret agenda for trying a different class. I'll still run MR regionally no matter what and I'm not selling the Miata (unless someone wants to pay me too much money for it).

It's not that secret. We all know that the "rallycross fan-girls" who wear bikinis and lean on the hood of your car are totally into the SR drivers...

you're not fooling anybody!

There was a 944 at nationals. It wasn't fast but I don't think it was the cars fault.

In reply to irish44j:

Damn, I didn't think it was so obvious.

mazdeuce wrote: There was a 944 at nationals. It wasn't fast but I don't think it was the cars fault.

Pete had a great response when the driver of that 944 asked how we were so fast.

How about the 944's older sister the 924? Plus this thread needs moar pixxors...

http://www.924board.org/viewtopic.php?t=40398

ouchx100 wrote: An rx8 seems like a bad choice for a rally car. i haven't done any reasearch but good wheels and tires seem like they would be hard to find

The problem is once you put a roll cage in there, you have to sit so damn low that you can't see out of it anymore.

Heck, I had difficulties with Chris Greenhouse's old Neon and Neons have acres of headroom. Acres!

mazdeuce wrote: There was a 944 at nationals. It wasn't fast but I don't think it was the cars fault.

That was Alex, the guy Evan and Bill and I were working corner with.

Scott Harvey did very well with 944s in Detroit Region before he switched to driving Paul's 911.

EvanB wrote:

mazdeuce wrote: There was a 944 at nationals. It wasn't fast but I don't think it was the cars fault.

Pete had a great response when the driver of that 944 asked how we were so fast.

Ask ZB and he will tell you the same thing. "It's all about how big your balls are and how long you keep the throttle down."

wae wrote: You can drive a pretty long way on rally tires. Just ask Pete

For the record, "wae" told me when we got to my shop that he liked following his car because he thought it sounded pretty cool. (I was playing with the turbo the whole way back from Omaha, because I never spent significant time driving a turbocar before and it was kidna neat)

This is what it sounded like inside, though: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBUbqdxJFg4

Honestly, a late 944 weighs around 3000lbs in full street trim and only produces 150-160hp. The chassis is well balanced though. Parts and etc aren't hard to get. Lots of leg room in them though and once you cut the sunroof out and install racing seats you have decent head room as well.

A 924 weighs around 500lbs less and in euro-spec will make 125hp, maybe a bit more with a bit more compression. Most of the 944 suspension improvements swap over. Biggest issues with the 924 is the stupid CIS system doesn't like to sit and very few people can actually work on them properly. For racing the narrow body is nice for top speed and agility, but limits total tire width.

On paper, a 924 or 944 (non-S2/S4/Turbo) matches up pretty well with an e30. But more complex to work on and more expensive parts, which I why I went with an e30 over a 924/944 in the first place (924/944s are all over craigslist locally for cheap, but they're all early cars, not the good ones)

Depending on how things shake out during the event, I may ask the new 944 guys coming this weekend if he wants to swap cars for a run. He just bought the 944 from another rallycross guy in another region last week though, so he may not want to, lol.

Knurled wrote:

EvanB wrote:

mazdeuce wrote: There was a 944 at nationals. It wasn't fast but I don't think it was the cars fault.

Pete had a great response when the driver of that 944 asked how we were so fast.

Ask ZB and he will tell you the same thing. "It's all about how big your balls are and how long you keep the throttle down."

I found two seconds a run at the end of day one when I realized I wasn't pushing the throttle all the way down. I was just pressing it until it felt "fast". I forgot what I learned on day two.

irish44j wrote: On paper, a 924 or 944 (non-S2/S4/Turbo) matches up pretty well with an e30. But more complex to work on and more expensive parts, which I why I went with an e30 over a 924/944 in the first place (924/944s are all over craigslist locally for cheap, but they're all early cars, not the good ones) Depending on how things shake out during the event, I may ask the new 944 guys coming this weekend if he wants to swap cars for a run. He just bought the 944 from another rallycross guy in another region last week though, so he may not want to, lol.

Early cars are the better ones to own actually. Lightest and with cheaper to repair, Mk1 Rabbit steel front arms for example with replaceable balljoints versus the crack prone aluminum control arms with expensive balljoints that aren't really supposed to be serviceable and modify suspension. Parts are only marginally more expensive than a BMW if you know how to shop around.

As for 924 versus 944, I'll just leave this here:

http://www.flussigmagazine.com/1/post/2014/03/simone-is-the-reason-why-well-all-go-out-and-buy-a-931to-drive-it-sideways.html

:)

interesting. I won't read that because I already have automotive ADD and don't need to start searching CL

turboswede wrote: As for 924 versus 944, I'll just leave this here:

I was thinking 924 because there is more VW/Audi in it than Porsche but Scott Harvey told me all I needed to know and sealed the deal against 924s for me.

"924s are not galvanized. 944s are galvanized. You don't want a 924."

No sir, I do not want a 924 anymore. Even IF an '80 has a proper shift pattern with 1st gear down and to the left WHERE IT SHOULD BE

You guys need to get on board with the new special class we're running locally this weekend. It's known as "80s Yuppie Modified"

Knurled wrote:

turboswede wrote: As for 924 versus 944, I'll just leave this here:

I was thinking 924 because there is more VW/Audi in it than Porsche but Scott Harvey told me all I needed to know and sealed the deal against 924s for me. "924s are not galvanized. 944s are galvanized. You don't want a 924." No sir, I do not want a 924 anymore. Even IF an '80 has a proper shift pattern with 1st gear down and to the left WHERE IT SHOULD BE

Uh, what? 924's are galvanized. Fully. From 79-on. Before 79 only the bottom half was galvanized. See: https://porsche924.co.uk/buyers/

I can confirm with my own 79 924 based on the rust that's appeared where the body and chassis was damaged and repaired poorly. Everywhere else is nice and rust free. Even the floor boards, which were filled with water up to the sills when I got it is rust free to this day. A buddy pulled a 78 from sitting in a farmer's field in the Willamette valley for 10 years or so. Body and chassis wasn't rusty, but quite a bit of the suspension and other pieces were rusty but that relatively easy to resolve with some new parts, the 944 would suffer the same issues since it shares many similar parts.

Outside of that, they are pretty well suited to the nasty world outside, unless the galvanized coating is damaged.

Both the 924 and 944 suffer from battery tray rot due to yet another lovely battery tray solution from the venerable German engineering firm from Stuttgart (the 911, 914 and others all suffer with battery tray issues, its diabolical). On the 924/944 its mostly involving the drains getting plugged up in combination with leaking battery acid. Solution is to fix the metal, unplug the drains, park the car downhill when possible and possibly relocate the battery elsewhere.

Generally 924's are discarded because no one can be bothered to repair the CIS system properly as they assume it works like modern EFI or like a carb and proceed to hack away at it instead of learning about CIS first, acquiring or building a proper CIS pressure test tool and then fixing all of the bad electrical connections, vacuum leaks and ensure the fuel system is clean and provides the proper fuel pressures. Of course MegaSquirt has been done several times. Then again sidedraft intakes are available if you'd rather tune a pair of sidedraft webers :)

Oh and only the 79 non-turbo and the 79-80 turbo 924's had the Porsche based "dogleg" boxes in the US all of the others had some form of Audi 4 or 5-speed box from the Audi cars.

Link to my toofah: https://grassrootsmotorsports.com/forum/build-projects-and-project-cars/my-79-porsche-924-journey/56036/page1/

and how it looks today:

and a proper shift knob for a proper shift pattern:

You know, you really ain't helpin'.

If'n I had a 924, I'd rip the abomination of an engine out and put an Audi 5-pot in its place, because I could. I'd rip the CIS out too, because I have had nothing but bad experiences with CIS.

None of this is SR or PR legal. But it would sound completely badass and as some guy with poufy hair once said, it ain't whether you win or lose, it's how good you looked.

Lol poo brown

fidelity101 wrote: Lol poo brown

That's Nick who co-drive my car at GLDivs. His e28 is surprisingly fast, especially in the deep gravel. IDK how he's so fast in it though. I drive it on occasion and it feels like I'm driving a Mack truck compared to my car, lol.

Now we just need to find an Audi 4000 to complete our Yuppie car class.

Knurled wrote: You know, you really ain't helpin'. If'n I had a 924, I'd rip the abomination of an engine out and put an Audi 5-pot in its place, because I could. I'd rip the CIS out too, because I have had nothing but bad experiences with CIS. None of this is SR or PR legal. But it would sound *completely badass* and as some guy with poufy hair once said, it ain't whether you win or lose, it's how good you looked.

Uh, yeah, I'm an enabler. Are you new here or something?

A quick way to fix the CIS would be to drop in the EFI harness from a VW with digifant and adapt a Honda H-series fuel rail and you're up and running in a weekend without CIS. Shouldn't be a legality problem then.

Yeah, I'd love to put an Audi 20-valve in mine, but that wouldn't be legal for PCA autocross unless I want to compete with the non-Porsche cars. So that limits me to the VR6 or some other Porsche engine :/