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te72
te72 HalfDork
11/6/22 2:32 p.m.

In reply to GIRTHQUAKE :

For a second there I thought you were describing an early Tesla...

GIRTHQUAKE
GIRTHQUAKE SuperDork
11/6/22 2:48 p.m.

In reply to te72 :

Ironically, that's what it got replaced with lmao

te72
te72 HalfDork
11/6/22 11:30 p.m.

In reply to GIRTHQUAKE :

You know you would think this foot would start tasting better at some point. =P

 

But I stand by my point. Friend has a 2013 S, and while it sounds every bit like the Evo you described in terms of quality, it is kinda endearing, like the Evo. If I had one nit to pick, it's the door closing. It just sounds... tinny. Not what I expect from a car with an MSRP of that range.

z31maniac
z31maniac MegaDork
11/7/22 8:48 a.m.
GIRTHQUAKE said:

Man, I miss my Evo X.

I gotta say, Mitsubishi knocked it out of the park with the 4B11T engines, but the Evo is HEAVY and they're frankly, not made well. It possibly had one of the worst car interiors I've been in too; cheap ABS as far as your fingers can touch! But somehow it all melts away when you romp on them for a bit, as if freight-train like turbo lag and pulls makes up for the sins of cheaping out. Just make sure you're going above and beyond on the coolant system.

That's how I felt when I test drove an STi a few years ago, lag on top of lag, coupled with ridiculously short gearing............I lost my desire for it after driving one. 

Pete. (l33t FS)
Pete. (l33t FS) MegaDork
11/7/22 8:50 a.m.

In reply to z31maniac :

Drive an STI with a GT30 or even a GT35...

docwyte
docwyte PowerDork
11/7/22 9:38 a.m.

The interior in my STI was flat out garbage.  Your fingernail would put scratches in the plastics that you couldn't remove.  More rattles/squeeks at 5000 miles than my german cars had at 150k miles.  Most uncomfortable seats ever, shock dampening that didn't match the spring rates and a factory tune on the engine that'd break ring lands.

mr2s2000elise
mr2s2000elise UberDork
11/8/22 3:17 p.m.

I hated my new 16 WRX. Really enjoying the 9 MR. Seats are excellent. Suspension is tight. Not a single rattle or noise. Is the interior cheap? Sure it is. Knew that going in. 

https://grassrootsmotorsports.com/forum/build-projects-and-project-cars/worst-car-buying-experience-long-read-sedan-content-thanks-scottyb-javelin-bmw88rider/218147/page1/

Colin Wood
Colin Wood Associate Editor
11/8/22 4:41 p.m.

In reply to mr2s2000elise :

You know, I've always wondered at what point was it decided that sports car interiors had to be really nice?

Not that I'm complaining either way, but it seems like for the longest time if you bought a sports car, you were going to get a car with a cheap interior. That doesn't seem to be as prevalent in a lot of today's offerings.

GIRTHQUAKE
GIRTHQUAKE SuperDork
11/8/22 4:58 p.m.

In reply to te72 :

Yeah I don't have a problem with a cheap interior- but I DO have a problem with a cheap interior that breaks and snaps off easily. I had a panel in the rear by the package shelf that could just NEVER stay in place, no matter what I did. But if it feels like the interior is light to make the car faster? Then I'm all for it lol

But yeah, I kinda had to go for the Electric when a used one showed up in my price range- there's only so many places you can go when you daily a 350whp modded EVO X lol

In reply to z31maniac :

Mitsubishi got it right with the SST transmission. I know they're awful to repair, but the gearing and automated shifting is so good and so fast- and they're a strong, reliable transmission too!

mr2s2000elise
mr2s2000elise UberDork
11/8/22 5:41 p.m.
Colin Wood said:

In reply to mr2s2000elise :

You know, I've always wondered at what point was it decided that sports car interiors had to be really nice?

Not that I'm complaining either way, but it seems like for the longest time if you bought a sports car, you were going to get a car with a cheap interior. That doesn't seem to be as prevalent in a lot of today's offerings.

My S2000 interior is nice. My Elise interior isn't - if you compare them both. My 95 MR2 is better than both quality wise. If I bought a car for interior, I would drive a Red Label Arnage. 

Agree 100% I guess it is expectations. If you know going in what you expect, then you are fine! 

 

My Land Cruiser Heritage Edition interior is crap compared to the Range Rovers, but I know what my expectation are. I don't get the people who buy the car then complain about interior after - didn't they look at it when they bought it?

 

AnthonyGS (Forum Supporter)
AnthonyGS (Forum Supporter) UberDork
11/8/22 8:36 p.m.

In reply to mr2s2000elise :

I think the biggest difference in interiors is how they wear over time.  Something that is pretty nice when new can turn into complete trash in short order.  I find its the price of materials that make the difference here except in really rare cases.  Miata interiors as an example are super durable except for the driver's side seat bolster due to ingress and egress.  It's an easy fix.  Now my Crammit interior is a pile of disintegrating GM plastic and faux leather.  That's just how it goes.  Now my used German cars always had the most durable interiors hands down.  German leather with 100k miles can look and smell new if cared for. 

 

mr2s2000elise
mr2s2000elise UberDork
11/8/22 8:39 p.m.

In reply to AnthonyGS (Forum Supporter) :

Agree 100%

If you see my 2001 GSR Integra it was mint. Seat now needs some repair. Most of the stuff I have owned over the years, stay pretty mint, then again I am pretty anal of a car owner. 

bmw88rider
bmw88rider UberDork
11/8/22 8:43 p.m.

In reply to mr2s2000elise :

And to be fair, The seat repair is more about the foam degrading over the course of 22 years and a couple hundred thousand miles. The rest of the interior is still solid on it other than a few parts that just wore out from use. 

mr2s2000elise
mr2s2000elise UberDork
11/8/22 8:45 p.m.

In reply to bmw88rider :

Stop doing so much horizontal mambo in the carsdevil

docwyte
docwyte PowerDork
11/9/22 9:55 a.m.

In reply to mr2s2000elise :

The difference is the Land Cruiser will still be driving around while the Range Rover will be sitting in the shop. 

On interior quality it's more than just sitting in it.  You can't tell how it's going to hold up sitting in the car in the show room, or on a 15 minute test drive.

te72
te72 HalfDork
11/9/22 10:36 a.m.

Adhesive backed foam goes a loooooooong way when it comes to making an interior nice, at least from an NVH perspective. My wife's Supra started out as a quickly flipped car, but over the course of 5 trips to Vegas and back, we have eliminated almost all of the rattles, and it's a nice car to road trip now. =)

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