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Adrian_Thompson (Forum Supporter)
Adrian_Thompson (Forum Supporter) MegaDork
1/25/22 9:54 p.m.
GameboyRMH said:
Adrian_Thompson (Forum Supporter) said:

Duck Duck go may not store info or cookies, but if your on a mobile device then either Apple, Google or whoever is the OS on your phone still knows where you've been and what you've done.

Not if you have a rooted Android phone with no Google apps on it, or if you run some oddball OS on it like SailfishOS.

And that pretty much proves my point. I know exactly zero people who have a phone meeting those requirements including several in IT and many many Engineers. What you describe as being needing just to be able to NOT be forced to use Google shows it's essentially impossible while being theoretically possible. 

z31maniac
z31maniac MegaDork
1/25/22 11:06 p.m.
dculberson said:
z31maniac said:

If you don't know what you're agreeing to, don't agree to it. That seems pretty simple to me. 

Anything sounds simple if you ignore all the complications. "Just put in a new engine," "Just restart their heart and get neurological activity back up and running," "Just avoid using any Google, Apple, Facebook, or Amazon connected services." All very "simple" things to do.

Well I think comparing bringing someone back from the dead to agreeing a TOS that allows a company to sell your information just MIGHT be a tad different. 

03Panther
03Panther UltraDork
1/25/22 11:21 p.m.

In reply to z31maniac :

I think he may have intentionally over exaggerated the other extreme, on purpose, to make up for your statement being so under thought, and kinda missing the point completely. Probably on purpose , as well. 
Just my thought, though.  

Toebra
Toebra Dork
1/26/22 3:34 p.m.
Adrian_Thompson (Forum Supporter) said:

I agree in principle with the sentiment that 'you accepted the TOS so it's your own fault'.  But that's not really a practical argument in these days.  IF you're a student you in many cases have no ability to opt out of using Google services.  If you are older (by which I'm implying over 70, as at 52 I grew up with computers, the early internet, dumb phones and onwards) you literally may not understand what you are agreeing too.  Also even for you average, above average or way above average person, understanding what the TOS mean without a Juris Doctorate is realistically beyond you.  You are forced to sign at the bottom of pages and pages of 8pt text.  Yes, the argument is you shouldn't sign if you don't understand, but there comes a point that understanding is beyond the normal persons capability and something is so ubiquitous that in reality you have to accept the TOS, or be forced to one of the very very few true competitors who all have equally onerous and difficult to understand TOS.  That's the point that the 'government' should step in to protect people.  This isn't shirking personal responsibility or wanting a nanny state, there is a point that something is so complex (or dangerous, or hazards to others etc.) that it's beyond the expectations that a normal person can understand the whole scope.  That's why States have standardized forms and contracts for buying a house etc.    

This guy gets it.  

Also, they get all the advantages of being a publisher, with none of the responsibilities.  That is where they run afoul of the law, but nobody cares, because dollar, dollar bill y'all.

 

They, facebook and the rest should be regulated like other  TV, radio and print organization.

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