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carguy123
carguy123 SuperDork
1/31/12 8:01 p.m.

The sad thing is I couldn't remember Tim's name, I had to look it up. I'm going to go take a dose right now.

http://www.cbn.com/media/player/index.aspx?s=/mp4/LJO190v1_WS

Be sure to watch to the end there are some other surprising potential uses.

Anyone have any comments?

Streetwiseguy
Streetwiseguy SuperDork
1/31/12 8:08 p.m.

My sister in law was talking about that this weekend. I'm afraid I'm not a big believer in such things.

Dr. Hess
Dr. Hess SuperDork
1/31/12 8:09 p.m.

Here's a comment:

I got these magic pills. Every day that you take one of my magic pills, you won't die. I'll sell you a magic pill for $10 (each). And, it comes with a money back guarantee: I will guarantee you won't die that day if you take my magic pill. If you do die, then I'll cheerfully refund your $10 for that pill.

akamcfly
akamcfly Reader
1/31/12 8:17 p.m.

Coconut oil for popcorn.

MrJoshua
MrJoshua SuperDork
1/31/12 8:25 p.m.

My Moms basic belief on all of those superfoods that circulate through Science News every 6 months or so is this: if it's cheap, easy to acquire, and yummy, it's worth a shot. Sounds like a good plan to me!

carguy123
carguy123 SuperDork
1/31/12 8:25 p.m.

OK, lets say comments that actually pertain to the validity of the subject?

I'm reading a book about James Garfield (the president for those of you who only read headlines and therefore don't know nearly as much as you talk) and he died, not from the gunshot wounds, but from the less than sanitary conditions prevailing at that time. Doctors poked dirty fingers in the bullet holes and used dirty probes to search for the bullet, etc.

While Lister was around and preaching antiseptic conditions most doctors said they weren't "a big believer in such things" because it took too much of their time and "called it magic" pills and that there was no truth to the rumor that going to all that much trouble to sterilize instruments would do any good.

Not that ultimately you guys might not be right, I'm looking to see if anyone has any real data points before I make up my mind. I just thought it was interesting.

EastCoastMojo
EastCoastMojo SuperDork
1/31/12 8:33 p.m.

I've always been of the belief that if it's cheap, easy to acquire and yummy, there's no doubt it's bad for you.

It was an interesting video, but that's still no guarantee that my comments are going to have E36 M3 to do with the validity of the subject.

carguy123
carguy123 SuperDork
1/31/12 8:44 p.m.

I'm hoping someone has had some contact with the idea before just now. I've avoided coconut oil and all derivatives except Pina Coladas for quite some time due to the old cholesterol data. If no other reason than I might be able to quit avoiding coconut I'm glad I watched the video.

But what I'm really hoping is that coconut will be declared a health food and covered by insurance. Then I can go to a bar and pay for my Pina Coladas with my insurance card. That would be awesome!

Rufledt
Rufledt HalfDork
1/31/12 9:00 p.m.
EastCoastMojo wrote: I've always been of the belief that if it's cheap, easy to acquire and yummy, there's no doubt it's bad for you. It was an interesting video, but that's still no guarantee that my comments are going to have E36 M3 to do with the validity of the subject.

I've always been of the belief that if it's cheap, easy to acquire, and yummy, then I want to eat it. Lots of it.

bastomatic
bastomatic Dork
1/31/12 9:44 p.m.

I've actually heard good things recently about the use of Nicotine patches in forestalling early memory loss. This is the first I've heard of coconut oil for this use.

At least I think it is...

wearymicrobe
wearymicrobe HalfDork
1/31/12 11:02 p.m.

I call shinanigans.

Its hard enough to run a full clinical trial on a drug for Alzheimer's let alone a natural product. Plus you kind of need to, you know, remove the brain for actual plague counts.

carguy123
carguy123 SuperDork
1/31/12 11:08 p.m.
wearymicrobe wrote: I call shinanigans. Its hard enough to run a full clinical trial on a drug for Alzheimer's let alone a natural product. Plus you kind of need to, you know, remove the brain for actual plague counts.

They can have mine, as long as they can do the counts at night. I take it out and put it in a glass by the bed at night.

ditchdigger
ditchdigger Dork
1/31/12 11:30 p.m.

I am skeptical just because it is CBN. This is the same group that tells you that if you can't make ends meet and instead send all your money to them, God will magically solve your money problems.

Seriously. Every freaking time I stumble across that (paid advertisement) "news" show on lunch breaks it is the same story. Family in bankruptcy sends in all they have to Pat Robertson and then things just get better.

Appleseed
Appleseed SuperDork
2/1/12 12:48 a.m.

This is why I read Skeptical Inquirer magazine.

914Driver
914Driver SuperDork
2/1/12 5:39 a.m.

Isn't coconut oil a laxative?

SVreX
SVreX SuperDork
2/1/12 5:43 a.m.
914Driver wrote: Isn't coconut oil a laxative?

I forget.

914Driver
914Driver SuperDork
2/1/12 6:02 a.m.

According to the movie Castaway.....

foxtrapper
foxtrapper SuperDork
2/1/12 6:06 a.m.
carguy123 wrote: OK, lets say comments that actually pertain to the validity of the subject?

You got some from an MD. Wasn't hard to follow what he was saying about the claims.

Giant Purple Snorklewacker
Giant Purple Snorklewacker SuperDork
2/1/12 6:44 a.m.
carguy123 wrote: Not that ultimately you guys might not be right, I'm looking to see if anyone has any real data points before I make up my mind. I just thought it was interesting.

The real question you should be asking is "Does anyone have any real scientific data to support ".

I shouldn't need to tell someone bright enough to know who James Garfield was that the 700 Club isn't always known for their fact checking.

I suppose even if you go in whole hog - the worst you will do is type 2 diabetes from living on coconuts. It isn't like they noticed bleach kills germs and suggested you chug a pitcher.

Google can't seem to locate any actual data amidst all the hucksters and snake (well, coconut) oil salesmen. I am too lazy to look further and I am due for a coffee and cod liver oil enema to prevent cancer. Later...

Rufledt
Rufledt HalfDork
2/1/12 8:09 a.m.
Giant Purple Snorklewacker wrote: I am due for a coffee and cod liver oil enema to prevent cancer. Later...

How does that work? Surely you cool the coffee off a bit before the enema...

Giant Purple Snorklewacker
Giant Purple Snorklewacker SuperDork
2/1/12 8:13 a.m.
Rufledt wrote:
Giant Purple Snorklewacker wrote: I am due for a coffee and cod liver oil enema to prevent cancer. Later...

How does that work? Surely you cool the coffee off a bit before the enema...

No. You build up scar tissue after the first couple. I am using the "Michael Landon Guide to Alternative Medicine" - it has some other great recipes too.

4cylndrfury
4cylndrfury SuperDork
2/1/12 11:04 a.m.

NEWS FLASH:

Doctors say taking (insert item here) will make you (Insert beneficial trait here).

50 years ago, doctors were prescribing cigarettes to pregnant women.

Im kinda over what the TV tells me I need to be healty

oldtin
oldtin SuperDork
2/1/12 12:38 p.m.

I tell patients to follow the evidence when it comes to herbs and spices and alternative stuff - all medicine for that matter. Direct evidence - randomized clinical trials/large population studies over time, not the tangential stuff like antioxidants are good for you, evidence shows wood pulp suppositories have antioxidants, therefore wood pulp suppositories are good for you - that's pure junk science. It's really heartbreaking and at the same time really pisses me off when someone with a cancer diagnosis (often early stage and very treatable) decides to go the alternate route - only to show up on the doorstep a year or two later with stage IV disease hoping we can magically fix them.

A quick search on the national institutes of health database (pubmed) will not bring up a single study of coconut oil and alzheimers. There is a study done in Korea that a coconut oil-derived compound might have an effect on glucose level - that would be one of those tangential stretches I call bull E36 M3 on to apply it to alzheimers.

On the positive side, it's considered safe for cosmetics and food use. The people's pharmacy says it might be helpful for Crohn's disease or Irritable Bowel Syndrome in the form of a coconut macaroon a day. Other than spending money on it, there's probably no harm (if you're not allergic to it) in taking amounts you'd find in a serving of food.

Have a cookie, by the time you finish it, you'll feel right as rain...

mtn
mtn SuperDork
2/1/12 1:12 p.m.

I give it about 1% chance of having any validity, and that is being generous. That being said, no reason not to try it really. It can't hurt and isn't expensive or difficult to use.

The whole thing reminds me of that guy that gets on talk shows and informercials every once in awhile with that book that has the cure to cancer, diabetes, aids, etc. I've rarely seen my mother so agitated as when those come on tv and she happens to see them. None of it is real.

She one time (as a nurse) had a diabetes patient come in with blood sugar levels that nearly put him in a coma. He was convinced that he had been cured though, by a traveling tent-church preacher man who had slapped him on the back.

4cylndrfury
4cylndrfury SuperDork
2/1/12 3:23 p.m.
oldtin wrote: Have a cookie, by the time you finish it, you'll feel right as rain...

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