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Subscriber-unavailabile
Subscriber-unavailabile HalfDork
12/4/20 5:23 a.m.

Don't  believe I nor my family will get it. I have my reasons which I'll keep to myself 

03Panther
03Panther Dork
12/4/20 5:58 a.m.

If I was forced to live in a crowded area where "social distancing" was not achievable, I'd have to think about the pros and cons... But fortunately, I don't. 

So, no. And before a few folks heads explode, my main reason are

I am less likely to come in contact with the virus

I am in a less risk category if I did "catch" the virus

And I do not feel that there has been enough time for proper development and testing, and I'd rather not be a test study. The folks that provided numbers showing there has been enough time did not check their math. Those numbers contradicted themselves.

 

Fueled by Caffeine
Fueled by Caffeine MegaDork
12/4/20 6:15 a.m.

People are losing their brains over the idea of being issued a vaccine card. 10 years ago I started traveling to Asia for work.  Went to the company medical. Got vaccinated. Got a vaccine card. Still carry it with my while I travel. 

Scotty Con Queso
Scotty Con Queso SuperDork
12/4/20 6:38 a.m.

Yelling "it's science!!!!" in someone's face doesn't take away legitimate concerns. I have my reservations about it, but will take it when it's available to me. Mostly to appease others. Because they're already talking about "vaccine passport stamps" which will lead to gate keeping for life events. Don't have the vaccine? Nope, you can't do xyz. 

Streetwiseguy
Streetwiseguy MegaDork
12/4/20 6:38 a.m.

I will get it.  Its not like I'm going to grow a set of antlers, or develop a taste for brains.  I will feel like crap for a day or two, which is likely less bad than I would feel on a ventilator.

I got the swine flu shot because we were going to Mexico.  I haven't had another flu shot since, because my arm hurt ike a bitch for about four days...  I've considered lining up for the flu shot this year, even though I've had flu once in the last 40 years or so.

11GTCS
11GTCS HalfDork
12/4/20 6:40 a.m.
Fueled by Caffeine said:

People are losing their brains over the idea of being issued a vaccine card. 10 years ago I started traveling to Asia for work.  Went to the company medical. Got vaccinated. Got a vaccine card. Still carry it with my while I travel. 

This. I had to get one for my Coast Guard license documentation.  36 years ago.

Pretty sure that had been a requirement for a very long time before I had one.

bobzilla
bobzilla MegaDork
12/4/20 6:47 a.m.
einy (Forum Supporter) said:
slowbird said:

I'm probably gonna get it when I can. If there's long-term effects then I guess it's unlikely we'll know them for years, and I don't want to keep living in fear of getting covid for years.

I am in this same camp.

It's easier for us. Myself and my family refuse to live in fear. We accept that life is what it is and we will take what we can get while we can get it. Hiding in fear is not on the table for us. That's our choice and it doesn't fit for others. You do what you gotta do, I'll do what I gotta do. 

Fueled by Caffeine
Fueled by Caffeine MegaDork
12/4/20 7:06 a.m.

In reply to bobzilla :

Cool. Remember  your liberty ends at my nose. 

bobzilla
bobzilla MegaDork
12/4/20 7:10 a.m.

In reply to Fueled by Caffeine :

still welcome in my house. You my have to bring beer, I seem to be out a lot.

tuna55
tuna55 MegaDork
12/4/20 7:21 a.m.
GameboyRMH said:

I'll get one as soon as I can, all indications are that the vaccines are safe and that COVID19 can be quite dangerous. This is a disease that can still maim you if it doesn't kill you.

I expect "as soon as I can" will be around fall 2021.

I don't agree with you on some important things, but I agree with you very hard here. This thing is bad.

Patrick (Forum Supporter)
Patrick (Forum Supporter) MegaDork
12/4/20 7:29 a.m.
Tuna says:

I don't agree with you on some important things, but I agree with you very hard here. 


 

quite possibly the most mature line uttered on off topic ever

 

tuna55
tuna55 MegaDork
12/4/20 7:38 a.m.

I have a theory that I would like to expound on here. There is some cyclical behavior here not unlike a mentally ill person refusing medicine once they begin feeling better. Stay with me.

 

A body as a whole develops a vaccine for something terrible. Nearly everyone gets it. The disease is brought to a screeching halt overnight. Everyone is better off. Years later they still vaccinate for the thing, but little by little people start to crown themselves skeptics and deny the vaccine. No big deal because if 0.01% of the population isn't vaccinated, the disease still won't be able to thrive. Years later people think it's even less of a big deal. Some even know a buddy who refused the vaccine and they seem fine. They even know a buddy who got the vaccine and maybe that cold he got the next week was because of it. The unvaccinated population goes up to 0.1%. No big deal still. The disease won't flourish. Even more people flock to the Instatwittgram groups to say that they feel so much better not putting chemicals in their body (of course ignoring that air, water and food is all made of chemicals) and become inspirational. The unvaccinated population goes to 1%, and people start to get the measles again.

 

The problem as I see it is we are at that last stage for many vaccines right now, and I fear the proportion of Nevertrumpers will associate the vaccine with him, and add to the antivaxxers, and now there's wide swaths of people literally denying hundreds of thousands of deaths, denying that my own local hospital system has been operation over 90% capacity for quite a while, denying the sky is blue and water is wet because a tubegramtwitt influencer told them so.

 

If 30% of the population gets vaccinated, will it help enough? A vaccine is never 100% effective. It doesn't usually matter much because so many people have it that the small probability that you will catch the thing as a vaccinated person gets lost in the wash when multiplied by that same probability for everyone else. If 30% of the population gets the vaccine, it won't be as effective as it could be. That could actually lead to fewer people getting it because they now have an additional reason to criticize it.

 

 

BoxheadTim (Forum Supporter)
BoxheadTim (Forum Supporter) MegaDork
12/4/20 7:38 a.m.

My wife works with people (massage therapist) at a spa owned by the state, so we expect that she might be higher up on the list of people to get the the vaccine than I do. We both have some concerns, but given her job and me working in an industry (one of many, I'm sure) where it's a sign of "dedication" to drag one's sick behind into work[1], we'll both take it when we can get it. Which I don't expect to happen - at least for me - until probably the middle of next year.

[1] No, not me. If I'm sick I stay at home or in my hotel room. But in previous jobs I've had some interesting conversations with HR about people coming to work sick as a dog while I was on a course of immunosuppressant meds.

tuna55
tuna55 MegaDork
12/4/20 7:39 a.m.
bobzilla said:
einy (Forum Supporter) said:
slowbird said:

I'm probably gonna get it when I can. If there's long-term effects then I guess it's unlikely we'll know them for years, and I don't want to keep living in fear of getting covid for years.

I am in this same camp.

It's easier for us. Myself and my family refuse to live in fear. We accept that life is what it is and we will take what we can get while we can get it. Hiding in fear is not on the table for us. That's our choice and it doesn't fit for others. You do what you gotta do, I'll do what I gotta do. 

Of course you are convicting everyone who doesn't agree with you of fear.

 

I wear a seatbelt every day. It's not because of fear. I have life insurance. It's not because of fear. 

mazdeuce - Seth
mazdeuce - Seth Mod Squad
12/4/20 7:42 a.m.
tuna55 said:
bobzilla said:
einy (Forum Supporter) said:
slowbird said:

I'm probably gonna get it when I can. If there's long-term effects then I guess it's unlikely we'll know them for years, and I don't want to keep living in fear of getting covid for years.

I am in this same camp.

It's easier for us. Myself and my family refuse to live in fear. We accept that life is what it is and we will take what we can get while we can get it. Hiding in fear is not on the table for us. That's our choice and it doesn't fit for others. You do what you gotta do, I'll do what I gotta do. 

Of course you are convicting everyone who doesn't agree with you of fear.

 

I wear a seatbelt every day. It's not because of fear. I have life insurance. It's not because of fear. 

I'm going to politely request that we don't go down this path of argument again. Please. Pretty please. This means both of you. 

bobzilla
bobzilla MegaDork
12/4/20 7:58 a.m.

Post deleted because people already think I'm horrible. 

Subscriber-unavailabile
Subscriber-unavailabile HalfDork
12/4/20 8:16 a.m.

In reply to bobzilla :

Your not alone bud, I believe in accepting life for what it is. I'm keeping my other comments to myself 

AngryCorvair (Forum Supporter)
AngryCorvair (Forum Supporter) MegaDork
12/4/20 8:25 a.m.

In reply to Subscriber-unavailabile :

You're

;-)

noddaz
noddaz UltraDork
12/4/20 8:29 a.m.

Yes I will.

Nothing else needs to be said.

 

 

ProDarwin
ProDarwin MegaDork
12/4/20 8:30 a.m.
Rons said:

In reply to mtn (Forum Supporter) :

I think I can sum this up in the old shop managers mantra - Good, fast , or cheap you can have any two but not all three.

Yep.  This isn't cheap.  The goal here is good & fast.  Its quite expensive due to the spending to complete all testing at risk (& begin manufacturing) without waiting for the previous testing/development gate.

mtn (Forum Supporter)
mtn (Forum Supporter) MegaDork
12/4/20 8:34 a.m.
aircooled said:
Zachary said:

....Here is an article where you can read about how vaccine trials aren't being measured on the basis of whether they can prevent infection: https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2020/10/27/covid-vaccine-trials.aspx...

That article appears to be behind a paywall for me.

In general though, I am pretty certain NO vaccine is supposed to prevent infection.  Their entire purpose is to arm your immune system to fight off and destroy any infection you get.  So, no reason to test for something it's not supposed to do..

Also, it is interesting to note the Dr, who's site that is described as:

born July 8, 1954) is an American alternative medicine proponent, osteopathic physician, and Internet business person. He markets dietary supplements and medical devices,[2] some of which are controversial. Until 2013,[3] Mercola operated the "Dr. Mercola Natural Health Center" (formerly the "Optimal Wellness Center") in Schaumburg, Illinois.[4] He wrote the books The No-Grain Diet[5] (with Alison Rose Levy) and The Great Bird Flu Hoax. On his website, Mercola and colleagues advocate a number of unproven alternative health notions including homeopathy and opposition to vaccination. These positions have faced persistent criticism.[6] Mercola is a member of the political advocacy group Association of American Physicians and Surgeons, which promotes scientifically discredited views about medicine and disease, and several other alternative medicine organizations.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Mercola

I am not sure this is the guy you should be taking critical medical advise from...

 

One note on this - Doctors of Osteopathy, or D.O., are not quacks like one may assume with the word Osteopathy in it. I see one now as my PCP, and asked 4 MDs (pediatric, and specialists - not PCPs) prior to going to a DO. They all said that, basically, there are no more quacks that are DOs than there are that are MDs, and the general public can just think of them as doctors. Because they are. 

 

This is pretty unique to the US. Outside of this country, I wouldn't trust someone who touts Osteopathy instead of "normal" medicine.

bobzilla
bobzilla MegaDork
12/4/20 8:34 a.m.
AngryCorvair (Forum Supporter) said:

In reply to Subscriber-unavailabile :

You're

;-)

I wanted to say it, but support for me in here is pretty thin so I let it slide

 

z31maniac
z31maniac MegaDork
12/4/20 8:44 a.m.
ProDarwin said:
Rons said:

In reply to mtn (Forum Supporter) :

I think I can sum this up in the old shop managers mantra - Good, fast , or cheap you can have any two but not all three.

Yep.  This isn't cheap.  The goal here is good & fast.  Its quite expensive due to the spending to complete all testing at risk (& begin manufacturing) without waiting for the previous testing/development gate.

Yeah, the Feds alone are well into the 10-digit territory just paying for the initial round of doses. 

eastsideTim
eastsideTim PowerDork
12/4/20 9:00 a.m.

I’m low risk, so I probably won’t be able to get it until spring.  When I can, I’ll get it, barring any new data that would prove the vaccine is higher risk for me than COVID.

The only things that give me pause are the polio vaccine and the anthrax vaccine.  Of course, the issues with some early polio vaccines were based on manufacturing, not on design.  Live virus ended up in the vaccine of some of the manufacturers.  I would assume by now that would be tested for extensively.  For anthrax, it seems like there is still a lot going on as to whether it was safe or not, to the point where it is only recommended to people who are likely to be exposed.

ProDarwin
ProDarwin MegaDork
12/4/20 9:06 a.m.
eastsideTim said:

 For anthrax, it seems like there is still a lot going on as to whether it was safe or not, to the point where it is only recommended to people who are likely to be exposed.

Ok, taking this off topic a bit.  

Why do we not get the rabies vaccine?  Our pets do, but we don't.  Its the deadliest disease in existence with a 100% mortality rate.

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