In reply to wae :
I'm with wae... that just looks disorganized and poorly executed.
In fairness, I'm not a big fan of "farmhouse". When we were shopping for new furniture last year, 80% of what was available was "farmhouse" mostly with "barn door" features. Drove us crazy, and I don't think the fad is going to age well.
I think at first blush it might look OK, but Wae is right that the overall result is a trainwreck. Clashing grays, poor attention to details (seriously WTF is up with the unfinished bit above the tile backsplash?), workmanship that's bad enough to criticize in a low resolution photo (which means it'll stand out like a sore thumb in person), and why the hell did they paint the upper doors but not the carcasses? It's a wreck man. Yes they've improved on the general feel but left it half done, and that half has been done poorly.
I understand that I'm in the minority that still likes wood grain - albeit not honey oak and I'm not really a fan of the stuff in that rv - but in what world is that an improvement? It looks like garbage. They would have done better to put white shiplap everywhere and call it a day.
wae said:In reply to Toyman! :
You're not wrong. When I bought our first motorhome I put about 4000 miles on the car driving to look at different coaches before I finally found the one I wound up buying and of the dozen or so that I went and looked at in person only two of them were worth buying and I only really liked one of those two. I'd really like to have this done before Christmas if I can since we've become accustomed to taking the RV to the in-laws for the holiday and I really like staying on-site at Daytona for the Rolex in January. As a stretch goal, if I have something by October I may go to Rallycross Nationals. I kind of expected a lot of garbage the last time since my budget was a class A for under $10k. We've decided our budget this time is around $55k and there is still so much trash even at that level! Granted, we're really specific on what we want: Class C, 2001 or newer, under 100k miles, under 750 hours on the gen, at least one slide, a bunkhouse, an over-cab bunk, and a one-piece fiberglass roof. In typical fashion, I want to be served caviar but be billed for fish sticks.
We searched all over the world and ended up finding ours at a dealer 2 miles from the house.
Our requirements were DP, pre-emissions, king bed, decent size shower and bath. We looked at a bunch that fit the bill but were literally falling apart. Cabinets failing, fixtures broken or jerry-rigged together, walls peeling. Some of them were gross. Based on what we were finding I scratched a bunch of manufacturers off the list and narrowed it down to Tiffin or Monaco brands with the Cummins engines. We ended up with an '07 40' Holiday Rambler with the ISL 400 Cummins. It's built well enough that I expect to have it for 15-20 years. I've been super happy with it so far.
Good luck with the search.
Now the rant.
It was 59 degrees when I left the mountains yesterday morning. When we got home, it was 100 degrees on my porch.
I berkeleying hate summer.
In reply to dculberson :
Separate the build quality from the aesthetic, sure. But for sure, we didn't interior design our camper with the next owner in mind. And we were covering up glorified wall paper for the entire interior- looked terrible. Far easier to paint it than figure out how to find a good "wood" look.
Poor build quality sucks, and could be dangerous. Aesthetic is a personal taste thing.
The refinish would have appealed to me more, had they painted all the dead trees, instead of just the doors. It looks like Aunt Mabel had some small cans of paint left ofer from the last time she did the bedroom.
I'm not a fan of having dead trees clear coated in my house, but I'm also not a fan of peeled cow upholstery. Nature is too busy.
In reply to Toyman! :
I was looking to replace my camper this spring too and we looked at dozens. Same thing, falling apart, water damage, gross. I don't understand how you can drop 20-30k on a travel trailer and not take care of it???
I told the sales guy I appreciate him trying to show us campers but mine was the same age and in far better shape, I wasn't gonna pay more money to have a more beat up camper.
Associated camper rant, I had three things break on it this weekend. It kind of bummed me out but for a little bit of work and a couple hundred dollars I replaced or fixed each of the issues the right way, new parts, proper fixes. It isn't that hard.
There are three good pizzerias in my town. They all took a two week summer vacation at the same time. This is the kind of thing the town council should be working to prevent.
In reply to Wally (Forum Supporter) :
100% agree, plow roads and make sure there is pizza!
we have 4 in town, one just closed, one is only open Thursday-Saturday, one gives me the E36 M3s and the best one closed for the MONTH of July!
I had to drive 15 miles to the next town over for pizza and wings on Sunday.
In reply to Wally (Forum Supporter) :
Im pretty sure France does, or did, have a law regarding bakers and their vacation for this sort of situation.
In reply to mtn :
That's because they'd have a revolution on their hands if there was no fresh bread.
BoxheadTim said:In reply to mtn :
That's because they'd have a revolution on their hands if there was no fresh bread.
Ah, let them eat cake. They'll get over it.
3 fire calls in one day. 2 MVIs and a grass fire.
My hat is off to the for-real firefighters out there. Not sure how you guys handle it.
Stick a fork in me. I'm done.
Wally (Forum Supporter) said:There are three good pizzerias in my town. They all took a two week summer vacation at the same time. This is the kind of thing the town council should be working to prevent.
It's the Italian business model.
Good luck getting parts from there in the summer. The whole country goes on holiday in August.
55 bucks of non returnable trans fluid i cant use because of fords alphanumeric soup of part numbers amd google swapping it around. berkeley!!
BoxheadTim said:In reply to mtn :
That's because they'd have a revolution on their hands if there was no fresh bread.
Not sure if this is a joke or serious post.
secretariata (Forum Supporter) said:BoxheadTim said:In reply to mtn :
That's because they'd have a revolution on their hands if there was no fresh bread.
Ah, let them eat cake. They'll get over it.
Indeed, that worked spectacularly well the last time.
Mr_Asa said:BoxheadTim said:In reply to mtn :
That's because they'd have a revolution on their hands if there was no fresh bread.
Not sure if this is a joke or serious post.
Yes 
I'm in the middle of this operation where we're deploying this incredibly complicated system for a customer. Despite having gone over all of the pre-install prep checklists and data-gathering forms several times, they keep wanting to change things. Most recently, when I asked them for about two dozen DNS entries to be defined they gave me all of the entries and said it would be created in time for the installation. Yesterday, my installer tells me that none of the names will resolve. And this morning, the customer asks if we can just change the domain that we're using. The domain that is more or less baked into all of the instances of Apache. The domain that will essentially require my installer to do a complete re-install of the application stack in order to change. Sure, the application is poorly-designed and should be able to pivot, but that's why we had hours upon hours of meetings and design sessions to ensure that everything was right before we started. To paraphrase von Moltke: "Your Majesty, it cannot be done! The deployment of overly-complex, shoddily-written applications cannot be improvised!"
In reply to NY Nick :
I looked at a 2003 40' DP Monaco that I thought was priced right at $48k. In the pictures, it looked decent. When we got there, the entire interior was covered with a fine layer of mold due to a roof leak that the owner never bothered to repair. WTF?
I ended up paying a little more than I wanted but it was worth it to find a motorhome with a box full of receipts for maintenance and repairs instead of a motorhome full of things that needed to be fixed.
As to the wood grain vs paint. My preference is wood. I find the new tendency to paint everything depressing. I like the warmth of wood. The industry is going that way because it's cheaper to paint MDF than it is to build wood cabinets. It's cheaper to paint existing than it is to replace with wood cabinets. The EndOver has quality cabinetry. I won't paint it. While it might look a little dated to some, that's OK. I'm a little dated myself.
In reply to Toyman! :
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Serious question, though... With the two couches there, do they both convert to beds? If so, how much space is there between them? That's a nice-looking coach and kind of what I actually want, but we need to be able to sleep at least 5.
Stopped at Target by work this morning to see if they had either of the two new Hot Wheels of the GR Corolla. Walking back to the car I thought man that tire looks low. It was. Filling it up at work it's almost flat, coworker pointed to what looks like a nail head in the tread (probably fixable). On the RE71s I need for Saturday.
And they didn't have either Hot Wheel.
In reply to Toyman! :
On our most recent trip, we talked to a couple of owners of vintage trailers, and both mentioned leaks. They tried to patch them up via various methods.... Even though it's really not hard at all to do it right. Don't understand why people have things they value so much but "patch" up repairs instead of really fixing it.
Some things are expensive, I get that. But leaks should not be- unless there are rust holes in the metal roof, the failure is the butyl tape- which is pretty easy to replace. Messy, but easy.
In reply to Toyman! :
There's some good value in older, high-end motorhomes (Monaco, Beaver, Holiday Rambler). They were built to a high standard and were expensive new. No MDF, no papered cardboard... real wood, real tile, good materials on the furniture, etc. They are certainly a bit dated style wise, but are comfortable, and nowhere near as bad as the 'Vegas Casino' interiors on something like a 1990s Prevost.
We also probably paid a little too much for our 2004 HR, but you're going to pay a premium for an RV that's been well maintained and stored indoors.
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