In reply to Woody :
That's a lot less relevant in a car that will go 40 miles on the battery. 
In reply to Woody :
That's a lot less relevant in a car that will go 40 miles on the battery.
My son just got his permit and it’s truly terrifying. When this boy learned how to ride a bike within 5 minutes he thought “how far can I ride with my eyes closed”.
He ran over his little sister.
That’s how it’s gone the entire time, hoping that driving is a big enough responsibility that he dials down the “dumb” and just believes me when I teach him things.
In reply to mazdeuce - Seth :
I was going to chastise you for calling your kid dumb. Then I saw she was.
Knurled. said:In reply to mad_machine :
Reminds me of a comment an engineer made a while back...
If we wanted people to drive safely, we'd replace steering wheel airbags with swords.
I had an uncle who, after his son got in a car wreck for the third time, told him, "No more cars from now on - you're riding a motorcycle everywhere until you learn to pay attention!" Not sure I'd take that approach with my kids when they're old enough, but it worked for my cousin.
In reply to MadScientistMatt :
I got hit by cars three or five times while biking, before I got my driver's license. I never assume the other person sees me.
"Oh, he'll stop" is one of the worst things to assume.
Woody said:When my daughter started driving, I kept stressing, "Never swerve for an animal, unless it's bigger than a deer".
A few days after she hit the concrete bridge abutment she said, "You were right, I should have hit the raccoon instead".
It was a very expensive raccoon.
3rd day driving daughter hits a telephone poll head on. Totals car I spend a fair amount of time making sure it was safe and would hae been reliable as gravity. New tires struts battery the day before she crashed it. fresh fluids belts hoses and complete brake job all around. It was a 97 corolla with about 90k on it so it should have lasted her many years. SHe hit the tree because there was a bee in the car. After a ambulance ride to the er and her getting treated for airbag burns to her face and neck she was let out.
So why did she hit the telephone poll? There was a bee in the car. Still a bit pissed about it. Since I knew she was ok when I saw her all I said was "next time get stung by the bee" and "Now you understand the consequences. You are lucky it was a telephone poll and not kids walking down the street or a mom and a baby carriage". I always harped at her at taking driving serious and she was way to casual about it. Yes I am getting another car. No she will not be allowed to drive it. Between the cost of the ambulance and the er, the tow the cost of the car not including what I put in to it I am over 5K out of pocket. Why did I pay and not put it through insurance? Because had I put it through insurance she would have got either 4 or 5 points on her/my insurance (due to the accident =1 and the medical =4) for the next 7 years and that would have equated to close to 7K in premium increases for her over the 7 years. So I played the system as best I could and paid for all of it in cash and saved 2K. Since she was not cited for anything by the police and I did not make a claim she still has a clean driving record.
Yes I am thankful she is ok. Yes it could be worse. But that tiny bit of thankful is nothing to make me any less pissed off about it.
KyAllroad (Jeremy) said:My son just got his permit and it’s truly terrifying. When this boy learned how to ride a bike within 5 minutes he thought “how far can I ride with my eyes closed”.
He ran over his little sister.
That’s how it’s gone the entire time, hoping that driving is a big enough responsibility that he dials down the “dumb” and just believes me when I teach him things.
The problem as I see it is kids over the last 20 years or less have not been taught about the consequences of there actions. You crash your bike in to a pricker bush it hurts. Fall off the stone wall and you bleed. Kids have been to pampered and to protected. (My kids included)
My nephew is 15 and learning how to drive. I let him know that yes, driving is fun, and yes, it offers a ton of freedom. I also let him know this.......
Every time you are getting behind the wheel you have the potential to kill someone. If you make a mistake, someone could die---- this is not a game. Put the phone down, look ahead and concentrate on what you are doing. If you are in a car with a friend who refuses to put the phone down----ask to be dropped off, do not stay in the car with that kid. Texting is more dangerous than drinking.....and you wouldn't get in the car with a drunk friend would you? Screw peer pressure, do the right thing, and realize other lives are at stake besides yours.
He seemed to get it......but time will tell. People are so addicted to damn devices these days, it's nearly impossible to stop their use. It's terrifying to see how many folks have their heads buried in their phones while cruising at 80mph.
I’m as bad as anyone with my phone, sadly.
I think the the best thing when I was younger was poking around a junk yard and finding a similar model to my own that had crashed with no way the driver survived. Sobered me up.
I sent her to the store today. The driving went fine. She had to call me because she couldn't find spray cheese. Twice. It was where I told her it was going to be the first time. Also made her buy a super huge package of toilet paper because what 16 year old doesn't love buying toilet paper. Trying to think of an errand for her tomorrow. Send her to recycle oil?
mazdeuce - Seth said:I sent her to the store today. The driving went fine. She had to call me because she couldn't find spray cheese. Twice. It was where I told her it was going to be the first time. Also made her buy a super huge package of toilet paper because what 16 year old doesn't love buying toilet paper. Trying to think of an errand for her tomorrow. Send her to recycle oil?
I'd just send her for more spray cheese.
Woody said:mazdeuce - Seth said:I sent her to the store today. The driving went fine. She had to call me because she couldn't find spray cheese. Twice. It was where I told her it was going to be the first time. Also made her buy a super huge package of toilet paper because what 16 year old doesn't love buying toilet paper. Trying to think of an errand for her tomorrow. Send her to recycle oil?
I just send her for more spray cheese.
After shave and some razors?
I hear that wet skidpads are a real good separator of talent?
mazdeuce - Seth said:I sent her to the store today. The driving went fine. She had to call me because she couldn't find spray cheese. Twice. It was where I told her it was going to be the first time. Also made her buy a super huge package of toilet paper because what 16 year old doesn't love buying toilet paper. Trying to think of an errand for her tomorrow. Send her to recycle oil?
Ask her to get a tube of toothpaste and a bulk package of condoms. You'll both embarrass her AND make her look for brain bleach!
When I forst got my license, I was sent on frequent trips to Dairy Queen. I didn't mind, my car was the perfect DQ cruise machine if only I'd been born ten or twenty years earlier.
(In my mind, perfect meant it was a hardtop and had white letter tires)
Remember that thread where I asked if a 90's Volvo was a good first car for my coworker's 16yr old daughter? He bought it, and fully admits he expects her to be really dumb her first year. But she's driving a tank so she should be ok.
mazdeuce - Seth said:Trying to think of an errand for her tomorrow. Send her to recycle oil?
All day and no one has said Blinker Fluid??
joey48442 said:I’m as bad as anyone with my phone, sadly.
You can change this behavior......please do. If not for yourself for the others you are putting in jeopardy. Seriously.
Older Hondas had the trigger wire for the starter solenoid in an unobtrusive but easy to reach location. Nuff said!
Tell her to send a random text. One text from a locked screen, have it be to her mom: "LOL". All its gotta be. Take a video of her doing that. Time her. I bet that it takes her about 4-7 seconds to unlock the phone, send the text, and put the phone down.
It seems innocent enough, but in 4 seconds at 30mph, you've traveled 60 yards. 7 seconds its a football field. At 50mph, it only takes 4 seconds for the same football field.
Now, ride in the front seat with her driving. Tell her to close her eyes for just 2 seconds. She'll be terrified. Half the time that it takes to send a text--drive it with your eyes closed, and you'll E36 M3 yourself. But that is basically what happens when you're sending a text--you're driving with your eyes closed. Same basic idea.
In reply to mazdeuce - Seth :
My Honor student daughter really did well as a student driver, smart attentive and understood.
The first night in the car alone she picked up girlfriends and they went through the drive through . Talking/arguing etc about who ordered what she drove right into the car in front.
That’s been over 20 years now and it’s her only accident. I’m glad I was calm and supportive and didn’t take cheap shots at her.
mazdeuce - Seth said:I sent her to the store today. The driving went fine. She had to call me because she couldn't find spray cheese. Twice. It was where I told her it was going to be the first time. Also made her buy a super huge package of toilet paper because what 16 year old doesn't love buying toilet paper. Trying to think of an errand for her tomorrow. Send her to recycle oil?
Is this a generational thing? I swear the teenager in my home does the same E36 M3. Calls in a panic because she doesnt know where a plate goes or some E36 M3. I dont get it
Mndsm said:mazdeuce - Seth said:I sent her to the store today. The driving went fine. She had to call me because she couldn't find spray cheese. Twice. It was where I told her it was going to be the first time. Also made her buy a super huge package of toilet paper because what 16 year old doesn't love buying toilet paper. Trying to think of an errand for her tomorrow. Send her to recycle oil?
Is this a generational thing? I swear the teenager in my home does the same E36 M3. Calls in a panic because she doesnt know where a plate goes or some E36 M3. I dont get it
Independence is scary when it is new. They've never been in charge. Probably never gone to the store alone, so they were just following. Certainly never been to the cheez-wiz aisle.
For the generational aspect, this generation, probably more than any other in history, has never had to figure things out for themselves. Between helicopter parents and having the answer to everything in a little box in their hands, they've never had to figure out how anything works on their own. And to be honest, a LOT of figuring things out on your own starts with the independence.
This generation will be just fine, just like the millenials, just like the Xers, etc.
mtn said:Mndsm said:mazdeuce - Seth said:I sent her to the store today. The driving went fine. She had to call me because she couldn't find spray cheese. Twice. It was where I told her it was going to be the first time. Also made her buy a super huge package of toilet paper because what 16 year old doesn't love buying toilet paper. Trying to think of an errand for her tomorrow. Send her to recycle oil?
Is this a generational thing? I swear the teenager in my home does the same E36 M3. Calls in a panic because she doesnt know where a plate goes or some E36 M3. I dont get it
Independence is scary when it is new. They've never been in charge. Probably never gone to the store alone, so they were just following. Certainly never been to the cheez-wiz aisle.
For the generational aspect, this generation, probably more than any other in history, has never had to figure things out for themselves. Between helicopter parents and having the answer to everything in a little box in their hands, they've never had to figure out how anything works on their own. And to be honest, a LOT of figuring things out on your own starts with the independence.
This generation will be just fine, just like the millenials, just like the Xers, etc.
You're right, they will... once they get off my frelling lawn
In the passenger seat browsing GRM while Deucekid#1 flies along at a shade over 70mph with the whole clan on board. We'll do 1200 miles between the two of us today. I like being able to shut my eyes for a second during an 18 hour day on the road. I highly recommend this whole license thing. Four stars.
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