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BoostedBrandon HalfDork
2/8/12 4:40 p.m.
Toyman01 wrote: B.O.A.T. Break Out Another Thousand.

Can I plus this one twice?

pilotbraden Dork
2/9/12 8:18 a.m.

Most people already own a sailboat racing simulator. Turn the shower on with cold water only, step in fully dressed and start tearing $100 bills

Ian F
Ian F SuperDork
2/9/12 8:31 a.m.

At my current income level, this is about as much boat as I think I can (barely) afford...


...assuming I build it myself...

2/9/12 8:56 a.m.

Boat - from Webster's - A hole in the water you pour money into.

Duke SuperDork
2/9/12 11:34 a.m.
Keith wrote: I keep threatening to buy a Hobie cat and put a tent on the tarp for overnighting. Cats are fast, much more fun to sail than single displacement hulls.

Cheap and fast, yes, but not so good for a daysailer - I used to have one. They're not the kind of boat that you launch in the morning, sail somewhere else, and spend the day with a picnic lunch. Hobies work best when you can stay within a half-hour's sail of your support base.

They are an absolute scream to sail, though, especially solo.

stumpmj Dork
2/9/12 2:13 p.m.

The wife said if we're going to spend that much on a boat, it had better have a motor. This one doesn't.

minimac SuperDork
2/9/12 2:46 p.m.

Dan- I'll go against the general consensus here and say if it's seaworthy, and the Mrs. agrees, absolutely do it. Cats(Hobies and such) are fun for small lakes but if you want to do any real sailing, you need at least a 30 footer. Being 'glas, it should be easy for you to fix, too. Cleaned up, that should sell for at least half again$$.

ronholm Reader
2/9/12 2:54 p.m.
Keith wrote: I would have said the Laser is the Miata of the sailboat world simply due to my impression of them - I'm a windsurfer who is peripherally aware of sailboats, not a sailor. Popular like Spec Miata for racing. And Lasers plane too! I don't know the Sunfish myself. But there's nothing like flying the hull on a cat. Wicked fun.

A Hobie 16 is just a overgrown windsurfer...

The only trouble with my Hobie 16.. and Hobie 18.. They keep me from getting any work done on the cars over the summer.

SO much FUN..

Here I am.. Left the jib on shore because it wasn't needed.. and still found myself way overpowered.. so.. here I am goofing off after a day of racing.

Keith SuperDork
2/9/12 3:16 p.m.

The scowl on your face tells the whole story.

clutchsmoke Reader
2/9/12 7:03 p.m.
Keith wrote: The scowl on your face tells the whole story.

Hahahaha.. I grew up sailing with my father. He had a 22 foot Tornado (racing catamaran). He wondered why I didn't want to go with him all the time. Sailing is fun when the weather is warm(not hot), the water isn't ice cold, and the wind is nice and steady. Sooo almost never in Chicago. But when the weather is just right and you're flying a hull 4 feet out of the water it almost makes up for all the other days you sat dead in the water waiting for a gust and being devoured by giant child eating flies.

Keith SuperDork
2/9/12 8:36 p.m.

Most of my experience with cats comes from my youth. I'm a certified windsurfing instructor, and when I was backpacking up the coast of Queensland I stopped by Great Keppel Island. There were three things on the island: an all-inclusive resort, a 18-30 Sandals (or whatever) and a youth hostel. I parked myself in the youth hostel and worked a deal to teach windsurfing to all-inclusive patrons in exchange for time on their boats. Every day, the wind would get over 15 knots and they'd shut down the rental - but they'd let me go out.

So, to recap: I've got nothing else to do. I'm on a gorgeous island off the coast of Australia that is made of nothing but perfect white sand. I have access to someone else's gear and constant, strong wind under the summer sun. No wonder I like them so much. It was quite a change from floating in a Canadian river, waiting for enough wind to waterstart and drag my butt out of the water...

I once managed to fly the hull right over a tender tied up behind a yacht when a gust hit at just the wrong time. The outboard motor went between the hulls, under the tarp. I couldn't do that again if I tried.

jrw1621 SuperDork
2/9/12 9:57 p.m.

I often forget how many sailors are over here - me too.

The OP boat is surely a money pit in some ways and not in others, at least it is fiberglass. There are few things more expensive than a cheap wooden boat.

Earlier this week on this board there was a car listed of some sort but what I remember of the photo was that there was a McGregor 26 in the driveway. Certainly, a M26 owners' judgement can not be trusted. I was going to comment about it but figured no one would get the reference.

Woody mentioned a hour long video posted once before. It may have been me posting this video of The Pestilence titled Hold Fast: http://vimeo.com/15351476
In so many ways I hate the characters in this video and in so many other ways I envy the personal freedom the seem to have. The lead guy is quite the unique character. He is a computer hacker with privacy Aps for secured communications http://www.whispersys.com/. He has ties to Wikileaks as well as ties to his technology "helping" the uprising in Egypt.
He recently sold his Whisper Systems company to Twitter. http://www.forbes.com/sites/andygreenberg/2011/11/28/twitter-acquires-moxie-marlinspikes-encryption-startup-whisper-systems/
This from the guy who sailed his completely derelict boat from Florida to The Dominican Republic in the video above.

jrw1621 SuperDork
2/9/12 10:18 p.m.
DukeOfUndersteer wrote: In my bachelor days, I wanted a small sailboat to live on. Was going to get a P.O. Box and buy a little 1 bed, little stove Love Boat and ride a bicycle into work. Dont know if it would have been a good idea or not..

Now that you are in OH, let me know if you are interested in doing some crewing of sailboat races. I do not own the boat but race out of Sandsuky on Weds and Weekends as well as weekend in Cleveland. Always looking for good crew or people willing to become good crew.
From a Cleveland Race last year:
I am the one in red

A Mackinac Race start a couple of years ago, picture from front page of The Detroit Free Press.
We are the little red boat in the middle (and ahead) which is a Schock 35.

clutchsmoke Reader
2/10/12 7:28 p.m.

Sails just look cool.

turboswede SuperDork
2/10/12 8:48 p.m.

EricM SuperDork
2/10/12 9:00 p.m.

This is how we roll.

I think 30-33 is the best size for cost/size/fun.

Here it is in the water.

I say go for it, no worse than owning a house.

FlightService SuperDork
2/10/12 9:07 p.m.

Bring Out Another Thousand.

Boats are an anomaly in the physical world. They take money and suck it through a vortex warping space and time. Think a black hole but instead of light and mater it is your money and your sense.

With that being said, me and the wife would love an Island Packet..

FlightService SuperDork
2/10/12 9:10 p.m.

That is bubbling fiberglass work on the stearn.....


FlightService SuperDork
2/10/12 9:14 p.m.
pilotbraden wrote: Most people already own a sailboat racing simulator. Turn the shower on with cold water only, step in fully dressed and start tearing $100 bills

You just got quoted on my facebook for my wife and her mom to see. (They are competitive sailors back in the day.)

jrw1621 SuperDork
2/10/12 9:34 p.m.

Have the wife and mom take the Bowman's Union Test if the want to work the forward end of a race boat. As my bowman likes to point out; he is the first person on the boat to cross the finish line.


  1. To make things realistic, start a cold shower and get in. I recommend wearing your foul weather gear, but that's up to you.
  2. Spin around about ten times or so, just enough to make it seem like the shower is "heeled over".
  3. Now, with a medium sized frying pan, give yourself a good whack on the top of the head while yelling "MADE!"
  4. Repeat steps 2 and 3 every five minutes or until you black out. SEE FIG. 1

If you made it through this exercise at least five times without loosing conscienceness or ending up in the emergency room, then congratulations, you are ready for the next level. If you didn't, then you'd better stay behind the mast you wimp!

OK, as soon as the swelling goes down it is time to see if you have the brains to be on the bow. The bow is a very mentally challenging position. This exercise will give you a good idea if you have what it takes.

To test your problem solving skills, go to your local toy store and buy a Rubicks Cube, you might already have one lurking around your basement from the mid '80s. Once you have found one, follow these short steps to see if you are sharp enough for the front of the boat, or if you are destined to turn a winch for the rest of your days.

  1. Take your "Cube" into a completely dark room or closet, or if you are at work, a blind fold will do just fine.
    2 . Have a buddy time you at solving the puzzle, and since you will experience lots of distractions on the foredeck, have your buddy smack you on the face repeatedly while you complete this task (quit whining, do you want to be a bowman or not ? )
    See FIG . 2

If you were able to solve the puzzle in less than 3 minutes then you probably already have Dennis Connor on speed dial . Under 5 and you probably wear your harness to work under your business suit. Anything under 10 and you have what it takes but you need a little more practice . If it took you 10 minutes or more, well, lets just say there is always a future as a tactician .

Our next exercise is one of mental toughness, to see if you have the "clock weights", if you will, to persevere through the torment and ridicule that will surely come from the other crewmembers aboard . This is our final test, so good luck .

  1. For five days you are not allowed to speak to anyone, not your roommate, spouse, siblings, parents, kids, friends, boss, coworkers, NO ONE .
    2 . You are only allowed to verbally communicate in the form of yelling and screaming. This includes phone conversations .
    3 . Be sure to include as much profanity in each sentence as possible .

So for an example, if your boss asks for an over due report. Instead of saying "I will have it for you right away sir." You could say "I WILL HAVE THE #&$@% REPORT FOR YOU AS SOON AS IT IS @&%#@ DONE, %&#$ FACE!" Of course you can insert your own profanity where you see fit .

Once you have completed this exercise you should have a good idea of what it is like to be on the bow of a high performance racing sailboat. The faces people have given you and the obscene hand gestures you have received during this last five days are very similar to the ones you will receive in your new position on the bow. However, if you made it through this exercise and you are still married, your friends still call you or talk to you, and you still have a job, then you didn't try hard enough. You will undoubtedly fold under the pressure of this demanding position, in other words you are a wuss. Don't feel too bad though, not everyone is cut out for this life. It is lonely world up there, some sailors just can't handle the stress and separation. Just be thankful that you took this exam, think of all the pain and ridicule you have saved yourself .

If you passed all three tests, then congratulations. Once the bandages come off and you have begged your boss for your job back, the next step is to get your name on your local crew list as an "Aspiring Bowman". Be sure to mention that you have passed the "bowmansunion.com introductory self-examination for beginning bowmen". Bring along the Rubicks Cube and a blindfold to any interviews with skippers and you are sure to have a fast ride on the bow of your choice .

Good Luck

EricM SuperDork
2/10/12 10:09 p.m.

whenever I am foredeck I only need to remember one phrase:


Usually my (70 year old) father is driving.

FlightService SuperDork
2/11/12 4:18 p.m.

In reply to jrw1621:

My wife's response

"I've done that in a bikini"

I love my wife.

The0retical New Reader
2/12/12 8:56 p.m.
Keith wrote: I keep threatening to buy a Hobie cat and put a tent on the tarp for overnighting. Cats are fast, much more fun to sail than single displacement hulls.

And if you're good at composites, cheap to repair when you run it through 6 inches of water and hit a stump....

Wish I had more time to sail mine now days.

minimac SuperDork
2/13/12 7:45 a.m.

1- Sell House

2- Buy Boat

3- Buy small piece of land

4-Park said boat on land

5-Live on boat

6-Thumb your nose at real estate assessor

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