RX Reven'
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6/22/24 12:43 p.m.

Space News - June 21st, 2024

Starliner at ISS

NASA is "evaluating future return opportunities" surprise

 

1988RedT2
1988RedT2 MegaDork
6/22/24 1:27 p.m.
codrus (Forum Supporter)
codrus (Forum Supporter) UltimaDork
6/22/24 9:08 p.m.

I'm sure SpaceX would be happy to bring them down if they can't find another ride. :)

As I understand it, though, it's not that they can't land.  They are trying to debug some issues on the service module of the Starliner and that piece is discarded after they undock and make the landing burn.  It burns up in the atmosphere, so they're staying up there so that the engineers can spend more time looking at the problems.

 

Kendall Frederick
Kendall Frederick Reader
6/22/24 10:04 p.m.

In reply to codrus (Forum Supporter) :

well, that and the thruster issues they had during the approach could happen again and possibly screw up maneuvering or the deorbit burn.  The test fire while docked went OK, but I don't think they have a real handle on why they failed and that would make me nervous.  

Keith Tanner
Keith Tanner MegaDork
6/23/24 1:50 a.m.

First rule in surviving problems in space is to buy time. They have 45 days of on-station time available if they need it. Boeing isn't being totally forthcoming on if they're trying to learn more before discarding the service module or if they're concerned about crew safety. Answer is likely "yes". 

SpaceX taxi home has some challenges, not least of which is that the suits aren't compatible between Starliner and Dragon. But it would seem to be the most likely option if Starliner is deemed too dangerous.  

preach
preach UltraDork
6/23/24 3:44 a.m.

It would be hard to get me into anything Boeing right now and I drive VW products knowing the headliner is going to fall and the electrical is bound to fail.

Suits won't matter I think as SpaceX can just bring some, but good thought. I would have missed that point thinking they'd be standardized.

CrustyRedXpress
CrustyRedXpress Dork
6/23/24 9:10 a.m.

Boeing you say?

Mndsm
Mndsm MegaDork
6/23/24 9:27 a.m.

Y'know, Between sketchy space planes, and sketchy submarines, I'm gonna go ahead and not get in any weird metal tubes if I don't have to. (As i'm flying to Mpls in august. )

Appleseed
Appleseed MegaDork
6/23/24 12:25 p.m.

Anyone read the title and think, "Hot damn! Fords bringing back the Fairlane?"

Mndsm
Mndsm MegaDork
6/23/24 12:37 p.m.
Appleseed said:

Anyone read the title and think, "Hot damn! Fords bringing back the Fairlane?"

with the death of the LX platform and the Camaro- a 4 door Coyote derived hot sedan from the Oval might do well at market to the right crowd. Make an excellent PPV as well, certainly better than an Explorer.... imo of course.  

Appleseed
Appleseed MegaDork
6/23/24 12:44 p.m.

In reply to Mndsm :

SUVs are just fat station wagons. No one will admit it.

codrus (Forum Supporter)
codrus (Forum Supporter) UltimaDork
6/23/24 7:59 p.m.
Keith Tanner said:

First rule in surviving problems in space is to buy time. They have 45 days of on-station time available if they need it. Boeing isn't being totally forthcoming on if they're trying to learn more before discarding the service module or if they're concerned about crew safety. Answer is likely "yes". 

SpaceX taxi home has some challenges, not least of which is that the suits aren't compatible between Starliner and Dragon. But it would seem to be the most likely option if Starliner is deemed too dangerous.  

SpaceX has four Crew Dragon capsules, perhaps they can send one of the others up if necessary?

 

1988RedT2
1988RedT2 MegaDork
6/23/24 8:04 p.m.
preach said:

It would be hard to get me into anything Boeing right now and I drive VW products knowing the headliner is going to fall and the electrical is bound to fail.

 

QFT.

Keith Tanner
Keith Tanner MegaDork
6/24/24 12:36 a.m.
codrus (Forum Supporter) said:
Keith Tanner said:

First rule in surviving problems in space is to buy time. They have 45 days of on-station time available if they need it. Boeing isn't being totally forthcoming on if they're trying to learn more before discarding the service module or if they're concerned about crew safety. Answer is likely "yes". 

SpaceX taxi home has some challenges, not least of which is that the suits aren't compatible between Starliner and Dragon. But it would seem to be the most likely option if Starliner is deemed too dangerous.  

SpaceX has four Crew Dragon capsules, perhaps they can send one of the others up if necessary?

 

Right, but the suits are basically part of the spacecraft. They may or may not have ones that fit the astronauts. 

I think all four Crew Dragons have things to do right now. I've seen a list - one is currently at the station, one is getting ready for the private spacewalk and has the docking fixture removed, one is being refurbished after a recent ISS trip. The fourth was used for a couple of tourist missions recently, I don't know the status.  There's also the question of the human-rated booster availability, NASA may not let them use a "normal" Falcon to yeet an empty Crew Dragon. But I suspect they could shake all the components free fairly soon if they had to. 

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