Did you know that in California when you redeem a water bottle they give you a Honda CRV??
Did you know that in California when you redeem a water bottle they give you a Honda CRV??
Ah the "homeless" tax. The ever reaching arm of government regulation. A month or so ago they busted people running non-CRV bottles from Washington state into Cali to get the CRV monies fraudulently.
What is CRV?
Oh, and once I'm benevolent dictator the bottle deposit will be $1 or more.
Adrian_Thompson wrote: What is CRV? Oh, and once I'm benevolent dictator the bottle deposit will be $1 or more.
I was curious myself:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Redemption_Value
One of my friend's kids spent his summer picking up bottles for spending money. At the time there was no redemption on water bottles so he photocopied sheets of other codes to stick on them at his mothers office.
That kid's going to go places.
I was thinking about this just the other day.
I’ve lived in California my whole life, I’ve recycled 95+% of every bottle and can I’ve ever used and I’ve never claimed a penny of the CRV nor has anyone else I know.
The problem is that you can’t crush the cans because then the special CRV indication wouldn’t be legible. The number of uncrushed cans necessary to make the trip to a recycling center both environmentally (offset for the car’s GHG emissions) and economically ($4.00+ per gallon for regular in California) viable exceeds the trunk volume of most cars.
So put some more on the back seat you say…great, now you’re using gallons of water to rinse them out (chronic drought conditions in California) or using a plethora of plastic bags (Al Gore sez’ a polar bear with two nursing cubs dies every time you use one).
Fun fact…California is unique in calling it something other than a deposit so it can charge sales tax. That’s right, not only do they design the system to minimize redemption but they get tax revenue on the ten cents per two liter bottle and five cents per can under twenty four ounces.
“It’s good to be the king”
RX Reven' wrote: I was thinking about this just the other day. I’ve lived in California my whole life, I’ve recycled 95+% of every bottle and can I’ve ever used and I’ve never claimed a penny of the CRV nor has anyone else I know. The problem is that you can’t crush the cans because then the special CRV indication wouldn’t be legible. The number of uncrushed cans necessary to make the trip to a recycling center both environmentally (offset for the car’s GHG emissions) and economically ($4.00+ per gallon for regular in California) viable exceeds the trunk volume of most cars. So put some more on the backseat you say…great, now you’re using gallons of water to rinse them out (chronic drought conditions in California) or using a plethora of plastic bags (Al Gore sez’ a polar bear with two nursing cubs dies every time you use one). Fun fact…California is unique in calling it something other than a deposit so it can charge sales tax. That’s right, not only do they design the system to minimize redemption but they get tax revenue on the ten cents per two liter bottle and five cents per can under twenty four ounces. “It’s good to be the king”
Wow. Just wow. Another reason why California is a (mostly) great place to visit, but I'd never live there.
Waste Management in Oregon gets mine, they don't pay me to sort them.
I won't stand in line at a machine to redeem CRV.
Well... it's not THAT bad. It does seem to highly motivate some of the more downtrodden types to collect. In a way, its kind of a reasonable from of welfare (which requires some work to collect).
It's apparently pretty effective though. I am suspicious that a lot of the redemption money goes to whoever is picking up those green bins in front of most houses (probably a state contractor). Not a lot of practical motivation for the average person to put the effort in (as noted).
I think the above is for beverage containers.
RX Reven' wrote: I was thinking about this just the other day. I’ve lived in California my whole life, I’ve recycled 95+% of every bottle and can I’ve ever used and I’ve never claimed a penny of the CRV nor has anyone else I know. The problem is that you can’t crush the cans because then the special CRV indication wouldn’t be legible. The number of uncrushed cans necessary to make the trip to a recycling center both environmentally (offset for the car’s GHG emissions) and economically ($4.00+ per gallon for regular in California) viable exceeds the trunk volume of most cars. So put some more on the back seat you say…great, now you’re using gallons of water to rinse them out (chronic drought conditions in California) or using a plethora of plastic bags (Al Gore sez’ a polar bear with two nursing cubs dies every time you use one). Fun fact…California is unique in calling it something other than a deposit so it can charge sales tax. That’s right, not only do they design the system to minimize redemption but they get tax revenue on the ten cents per two liter bottle and five cents per can under twenty four ounces. “It’s good to be the king”
It's not listed as a tax, it's listed as CA CRV on the receipt.
I ALWAYS crush my cans before I go to the recyclers, I have NEVER been questioned about it. The only annoyance I have is that all the lids have to be removed from plastic bottles before bringing them in. This is just so they can be easily crushed.
Cone_Junkie wrote: It's not listed as a tax, it's listed as CA CRV on the receipt....
The "trick" of it isn't that it's a tax. It's that the tax part of it is applied to the manufacturer, so the increase that that pass on to the consumer is taxable. Normal redemption charges are not taxed.
It's basically a way for the state to have redemption and still get a bit of a tax increase (even with 100% returns) out of it.
aircooled wrote:Cone_Junkie wrote: It's not listed as a tax, it's listed as CA CRV on the receipt....The "trick" of it isn't that it's a tax. It's that the tax part of it is applied to the manufacturer, so the increase that that pass on to the consumer is taxable. Normal redemption charges are not taxed. It's basically a way for the state to have redemption and still get a bit of a tax increase (even with 100% returns) out of it.
Even more bullE36 M3- When doing my taxes the last couple years TurboTax asked if I received any money from recycling. F-you, that isn't profit, that's me getting my money back!
For what it’s worth, here’s the wiki on CRV. It indicates that the state does receive more tax revenue when the CRV is increased. It also mentions the common confusion over refund verses redemption.
…and yes, I agree with aircooled about the CRV effectively being a type of welfare program.
I can only remember seeing one CRV redemption machine in my area. Anyone that ventured within twenty feet of the thing found themselves hopelessly stuck to the ground on the flypaper like mat of soda residue.
No matter, that solitary machine has long since been removed and the only other ones I’ve seen are in areas that, at a minimum, require three buddies and a shot gun to be approached.
Unfortunately, I’m addicted to diet cherry coke and go through about twenty cans a week so that’s $56.03 per year for both the CRV and the sales tax on the CRV.
To put things into prospective, that’s about twice as much as I spend on the additional oil my RX-8 needs over comparable piston cars.
I grew up in Michigan. I used to routinely fill up my car with fuel simply by bagging up the empty beer cans and bottles on the front lawns of frat houses at 7AM on Sunday morning, or under the bleachers at dirt tracks and high school football games.
Gas used to be a buck a gallon when I started driving, it was fantastic.
bentwrench wrote: Waste Management in Oregon gets mine, they don't pay me to sort them. I won't stand in line at a machine to redeem CRV.
could be worse.. here in Galloway Township in NJ.. I have to lease the container for recycling. They take the recycling for free.. but you -have- to use their container (as the trucks are automated)
Or I can drive to the dump once every couple of weeks and dump them for free
Here in Texas we learn from a young age to be able to flip an empty from the cab into the bed of the pickup with one hand at 80 mph. It was easier before the extended/crew cab became so common. What happened to them after that was determined by time, weather, and fate; not by deposits, taxes, and hoboes.
mad_machine wrote:bentwrench wrote: Waste Management in Oregon gets mine, they don't pay me to sort them. I won't stand in line at a machine to redeem CRV.could be worse.. here in Galloway Township in NJ.. I have to lease the container for recycling. They take the recycling for free.. but you -have- to use their container (as the trucks are automated) Or I can drive to the dump once every couple of weeks and dump them for free
Several years ago, the local trash company offered a recycling option wherein I would pay them additional money every month and they would come and collect the recycling bin. After about 8 months of that, though, I cancelled the service for two reasons: #1, why the heck was I paying them to haul away garbage that they were going to be able to re-sell and #2, they were supposed to come once a week, and I took the bin out the the curb once a week. Most weeks, though, they wouldn't pick it up for some reason, so I wound up paying extra money to walk my trash back and forth over my driveway. It was good exercise, but it didn't make a lot of sense. Now all my garbage is getting recycled into a mountain. I'm hoping that we can have a ski resort pretty soon.
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