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Duke MegaDork
7/1/22 1:36 p.m.
Wayslow said:


We had a hospital renovation project that required Braille signage on all of the electrical panels including the main switchgear. Not sure how many blind electricians they had on staff.

I won't argue with you about whether or not that story is actually true, but I will say whoever specified that either doesn't understand the ADA or was just making E36 M3 up off the top of their head.  Utility rooms and service spaces are specifically excluded from accessibility requirements:

The 2010 ADAAG wrote:

203 General Exceptions

203.1 General. Sites, buildings, facilities, and elements are exempt from these requirements to the extent specified by 203.


203.5 Machinery Spaces. Spaces frequented only by service personnel for maintenance, repair, or occasional monitoring of equipment shall not be required to comply with these requirements or to be on an accessible route. Machinery spaces include, but are not limited to, elevator pits or elevator penthouses; mechanical, electrical or communications equipment rooms; piping or equipment catwalks; water or sewage treatment pump rooms and stations; electric substations and transformer vaults; and highway and tunnel utility facilities.


SV reX
SV reX MegaDork
7/1/22 5:08 p.m.

In reply to Duke :

I'm not sure why this is so important to argue, but my signs were identical to the one posted, and they absolutely are ADA compliant. 

Follow the link if it’s that important.

You know I'm also pretty good at what I do too, right?  I'd appreciate it if you don't suggest in a public forum that my work is being performed illegally.

Regarding the specific location, it was a glass storefront (like many commercial buildings). The doors are clearly visible from the entire building. No one who is visually impaired would EVER see the sign, because the doors are much too obvious. 

Besides, commercial exits already have lighted exit signs, which serve visually impaired persons fine. 

I stand by my assertion that those signs serve little to no purpose. Audible signals, or tactile walk surfaces would actually do something. 

Let's get back to humor. 

Duke MegaDork
7/1/22 5:42 p.m.

In reply to SV reX :

If they are tactile, they are compliant.  The ones at your link are tactile, with the word EXIT raised for reading by touch.  Therefore they are compliant.

You stated (or at least I misunderstood) that the signs installed were flat / smooth. Therefore not ADA compliant for the reasons I cited.

I am perfectly willing to believe I misunderstood, and if that is the case, I apologize.


Duke MegaDork
7/1/22 5:51 p.m.

As far as the implied silliness of the requirement goes, it's a building code. How do you write that regulation so that it doesn't apply to your specific case (where you assume it is not necessary) but does apply elsewhere (where you agree it is necessary) without writing a lot of ambiguity and subjectivity into it?

Most codes have a general provision for the AHJ to override them in cases where professional judgment may be required.  But opportunities for those judgement calls are not often specifically written into all the various places they could occur.  The requirements are written to be very specific and far-reaching. It's up to the designer / builder to request relief from the AHJ where the requirements make no sense or are infeasible.


Wayslow Dork
7/1/22 6:13 p.m.

In reply to Duke :

The project was for the Canadian National Institute for the Blind (CNIB). It was a client requirement. I was working for the M&E engineering firm at the time.

Duke MegaDork
7/1/22 6:34 p.m.

In reply to Wayslow :

Yep, bureaucratic clients get weird sometimes.  That's pretty ridiculous.



triumph7 HalfDork
7/1/22 9:08 p.m.
Stampie (FS) said:

Ummmm, 13?

Lobsterpennies Reader
7/2/22 9:24 p.m.

In reply to triumph7 :

Ha! Good one. For me it took a minute cause I was focused on the sign, but that wiring. Unfortunately or funny enough I've seen worse but it definitely takes a slot in my top ten.

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