Junghole
Junghole SuperDork
10/9/21 10:23 a.m.

Just came here to give a huge middle finger to win11 and Micropenis. My Ryzen 3 1200 doesn't make the cut apperently. 

RevRico
RevRico UltimaDork
10/9/21 11:06 a.m.

Sounds like a good thing. Haven't you learned yet that jumping to the newest windows when it drops is one of the stupidest things to do with a computer?

Give them a couple years to get it sorted, by then you'll need a new system anyway.

I'd still be running xp if my 3d printers could support it

Junghole
Junghole SuperDork
10/9/21 11:12 a.m.

In reply to RevRico :

That is true. I just don't want to be left in the dust and have programs start sucking up due to incompatibility, since everything froward will be "updated for 11". The lab laptop will stay 10 forever. 

dj06482 (Forum Supporter)
dj06482 (Forum Supporter) UltraDork
10/9/21 11:42 a.m.

They're supporting Win10 until 2025.  That's important to me because my 10 year old Dell laptop bombed the hardware requirements for Win11.  I have a Lenovo of similar vintage, and I'm guessing that will fail the Win11 test, as well. Both run Win10 just fine, so I'm not overly concerned.

CJ (FS)
CJ (FS) Dork
10/9/21 12:08 p.m.

Just last week, I worked on a neighbor's 2016 HP laptop.  Had an old, slow 500GB hard drive and 8GB of RAM.  I had a 1TB 7200 RPM drive and 16GB of RAM sitting around, now it runs better than when it was new. 

Neighbor was pleased, but was wondering what would happen when Wn 10 went away.  Given the system will be 9 years old in 2025, I told him it will be end-of-life anyway, assuming Microsoft doesn't extend Win 10 support. 

Since there are so many Win 10 systems out there that will not upgrade to Win 11, I would not be surprised if they did.

wearymicrobe
wearymicrobe PowerDork
10/9/21 12:30 p.m.

Looks at the un networked Windows NT 4.0 boxes in my lab still running equipment built when I was in high school. indecision

fromeast2west
fromeast2west Reader
10/9/21 2:31 p.m.

In reply to Junghole :

MS is trying to improve security by running programs in VMs.  Reports have new systems running W11 running up to 20% slower than W10 because of it.

At some point MS needs to seriously rebuild Windows even if it means breaking legacy applications; but for now we just get a slapped together fix that essentially requires one core of a CPU.   For your R3 that means 1 core for the OS, plus one for the VM for any program you're running;  so one program requires three cores.  Add in one program and you need five cores, so a low end quad core doesn't make the cut.   (yes, I know you don't literally reserve a core for the OS and/or a VM, but that's essentially how performance breaks down for a non-hypter threaded quad core).

 

szeis4cookie (Forum Supporter)
szeis4cookie (Forum Supporter) Dork
10/9/21 6:21 p.m.
fromeast2west said:

In reply to Junghole :

MS is trying to improve security by running programs in VMs.  Reports have new systems running W11 running up to 20% slower than W10 because of it.

At some point MS needs to seriously rebuild Windows even if it means breaking legacy applications; but for now we just get a slapped together fix that essentially requires one core of a CPU.   For your R3 that means 1 core for the OS, plus one for the VM for any program you're running;  so one program requires three cores.  Add in one program and you need five cores, so a low end quad core doesn't make the cut.   (yes, I know you don't literally reserve a core for the OS and/or a VM, but that's essentially how performance breaks down for a non-hypter threaded quad core).

 

I can kind of understand that argument, but as someone whose six-core 12 thread Ryzen 1600 also misses the cut, I'm similarly peeved that Microsoft decided to leave processors behind that really aren't that old. 

iammclovin804
iammclovin804 New Reader
10/9/21 10:50 p.m.

It's easy to install with an unsupported CPU if that's y'alls issue. I didn't have any performance problems on an insider build with an unsupported i5-7600k. 

Junghole
Junghole SuperDork
10/10/21 2:30 p.m.

In reply to szeis4cookie (Forum Supporter) :

That's where I am. My r3 runs every game I can throw at it on ultra. It's a perfectly good cpu for modern day. Why should I have to upgrade because micropeños says so?

dean1484
dean1484 MegaDork
10/10/21 2:47 p.m.

I have a PC that I built with current hardware about 18 months ago or so

3700x CPU

x570MB

RTX2060Super

And it is a hard no from win11

 

ProDarwin
ProDarwin MegaDork
10/10/21 4:12 p.m.

lol @ XP comments.

Win 7 and 10 both seemed pretty solid at/near launch.  Vista & 8/8.1 were dumpster fires.  I'm not hearing good things about 11.  10 is going to be supported for quite a while so I'm not worried.

A ryzen 1200 is >5 years old.  Run 10 until end of life.

In reply to dean1484 :

I see your CPU on this list:  https://www.tomsguide.com/news/these-are-all-the-intel-and-amd-cpus-that-can-run-windows-11

 

z31maniac
z31maniac MegaDork
10/11/21 8:20 a.m.

No idea, our company isn't allowing updates to our laptops yet (and I get a new one in another year anyway)........my home computer won't get updated unless it stops running iRacing/AC/etc. 

But it's a new fairly powerful build, so I'm not worried about it. 

pointofdeparture
pointofdeparture UltimaDork
10/11/21 10:40 a.m.
Junghole said:

Why should I have to upgrade because micropeños says so?

It's their product, if you don't like it you can always install Linux or buy a Mac. Simple as that.

I have a 5800X and shan't be upgrading until the first service pack at a minimum. A little over a decade ago I installed Vista X64 RTM on a new system and learned that you really don't want to be an early adopter of new Windows releases.

In reply to dean1484 :

That CPU is supported, all of your hardware is officially fine for 11, so not sure where you're getting your info from.

Tom_Spangler (Forum Supporter)
Tom_Spangler (Forum Supporter) PowerDork
10/11/21 10:50 a.m.

Looks like my i7-6700K is not on the list. Oh, well. I'll probably upgrade in a year or two, and I'll go to Win11 then. I don't have any compelling need right now.

szeis4cookie (Forum Supporter)
szeis4cookie (Forum Supporter) Dork
10/11/21 10:57 a.m.
dean1484 said:

I have a PC that I built with current hardware about 18 months ago or so

3700x CPU

x570MB

RTX2060Super

And it is a hard no from win11

 

This should be possible, I'm betting Secure Boot and TPM 2.0 not being turned on is the issue here. Consult your motherboard manufacturer's documentation on how to turn these on.

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