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Slippery UberDork
7/23/21 9:37 p.m.
cmcgregor (Forum Supporter) said:

In reply to Slippery :

I don't have any skin in this argument, but I really don't see how Dean's spelling and grammar errors have anything to do with the point of his post.

See the post above.

Mr_Asa PowerDork
7/23/21 10:03 p.m.

The one comment I have on spelling and grammar is that for the majority of the internet that's the primary way you can present yourself.  GRM is a bit of an oddball in that personally meeting someone on the other end happens near-weekly with at least one pair of members, but most of the interaction happens here on this board.

As a result of that I, at least, try to make sure everything I type out is as correct as I can make it.  Well, that reason and because I get confusing at times, so clear "speech" helps.

Your mileage may vary.

thashane Reader
7/23/21 10:13 p.m.

I took a technical editing class in school. I use that one miserable optional elective class more than any other. I'd recommend it to anyone who thinks they may have to write anything that'll ever be read.


also the original list has two #3's.


dean1484 MegaDork
7/23/21 10:23 p.m.

In reply to Slippery :

Non taken. All very constructive points  Full disclosure:  I have not looked at in years. For all I know it could be a non edited version. There were issues with the host provider years back that if you changed things they would look at it and I assume some algorithm would compare it to there backup and see a change and revert it back to the original a couple days later. Very annoying but I just assumed all that had been fixed.  

Tks for the heads up. 

Duke MegaDork
7/24/21 6:48 a.m.
dean1484 said:

In reply to Duke :

I was agreeing with you.

I realized that. The reason I was puzzled is that I wrote what I wrote because I disagreed with your original post.

You seemed to be complaining about a severe lack of technical knowledge in young applicants.  I was saying that technical knowledge was a distant second or third after critical thinking and design ability to me.

I don't need drafting grunts. I need future architects.


Mr. Peabody
Mr. Peabody UltimaDork
7/24/21 7:40 a.m.
Mr_Asa said:
Mr. Peabody said:

After only one change of employment in 34 years, I've been on the potential employee side of the game twice now in the last few.

As an aside, this is also an outmoded model of work.  In general, companies don't give raises and take care of their employees anymore, the way they get a raise, professional development, and better benefits is to find a better job.  I think the statistic was 21% change jobs in one year, and only 20% last longer than 5 years.

That's not been my experience, and it's not the way it is in my trade.

In my case I made the last two moves to work less, and this time took a $20k pay cut to only work only 3 days a week.

11GTCS Dork
7/24/21 8:35 a.m.

In reply to Boost_Crazy :

Same issues with mechanical designers from our experience.   Some of this comes from unrealistic expectations from owners / developers, we see many”permit sets” being put out to bid and then get buried with addendums just before the bid dates.    I’m not sure what the answer is but I know I prefer doing my own designs and hiring the engineers as needed to document the project for the customer.   

Relative to the OP’s frustrations, my experience with the younger engineers is they are smart, have excellent skills, are willing to learn and that they do listen to thoughtful suggestions from the contractor point of view.  We can agree that there’s no substitute for experience but they have to get it somewhere.

OHSCrifle UltraDork
7/24/21 7:07 p.m.

Having read Dean's rebuttals in this topic, I'm glad that I just saw this topic and have previously bitten my tongue and chose not to be the spelling police. No good will really come from it. Dean has contributed a Hell of a lot on here and I think we'd probably be friends if we met in real life.... so criticizing his spelling is kinda pointless. 

(I do think Toyman's "helper" software suggestion is a useful one). 

Regarding the original post - and having graduated from architecture school and worked in the profession for 27 years - I have two ways of describing the kind of cover letter language that Dean is observing. 

1) talkitecture - trying to sound smart because the university professors do this

2) verbal masturbation

There are absolutely different types of architects. There are flair pen architects [often but not always.. these tend to be "talkitects"] and there are technical architects. I'm the latter. The flair pen types irritate me but I definitely recognize that the profession needs BOTH. It is just rare to find a hybrid architect who can do both well.   

In Boston I have been told you find more technical architects at BAC than Harvard.  

Your mileage may vary. 

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