Project Cars 2 - Series 2 Discussion

In reply to oldrotarydriver :

It's the options button on the PS4 controller, you may need to map one to the G25 since it doesn't have an options button. If you have a normal controller nearby you could just use it to close out.

In reply to Daylan C :

Didn't work; an Options button is actually mapped on the G25, but all it did was pull up options in the game itself, and there was nothing seen to actually exit the game / go to the PS4 Dashboard.  Getting to the Dashboard required hitting the PS key on the slaved DualShock, which then caused all sorts of hell with the Cronus+Plus setup.

It was fun while it lasted, but once again, pi(ddle) poor prep permitted poor presentation.  The earpiece I was using couldn't mute the mike, which was picking up the dog cleaning itself on the floor five FEET away from the rig.    .  Time to retire the G25, get a decent headset, and bite the bullet on a compatible rig for the PS4 Pro.

Car parts, sim parts, what's the diff?  It's all made of money anyway. 

My thoughts:

I like the Group A E30 quite a bit

Formula Jr is probably not as tricky as I'm making it look

The Mclaren P1 GTR has potential as a fun car and I like the purple a lot.

I need a lot more practice and a sim rig might be moving up the list of things I'm worried about. 

I thought that both the Formula Junior and Formula C cars would make a good series.  The Radical was fun after TC and ABS were turned off.  One car that we should have tested was the Lotus 49 Cosworth vintage F1.  It's a fun car.

You guys figure out the next series.  I'll be back on in two weeks.

The F Junior should be fun on small tracks. I was not terribly impressed by the 300 ZX.  It absolutely destroyed the front tires in fast corners and had that lovely "autospin" feature in slow corners, reminiscent of the GT3 cars.  I suspect they are a bit rear weight bias, as the GT3 cars seem to be.

I still say the slow speed spins seem a bit off.  I have clearly done a lot of time in rear weight bias cars, far more rear than these race cars, and slow speed spins is not an issue, in fact it is where they are best.  It's the high speed tank slapper that you fear.

The other formula cars were pretty good also although the fast one is probably a bit big for these small courses.

We should try a few vintage and street cars either next week or the week after.  These should be good on the smaller courses also.  They are in general far more dynamic (move / slide around a lot) then the newer cars.  That old Jag is a quite entertaining in its body roll.

What old Jag are you talking about? Do you mean the Aston? Granted at a point in their history they were the same company, but that was in the 90s. 

I gave the Caterham a try. It could be good fun, but I refuse to try it. The rear view mirror placement in the cockpit view makes seeing any left hand corner a challenge. Your view is blocked, and more so it is reversed. 

The Radical in Track car A is fun. But a lot more aero than you guys seem to prefer. 

The G40 Juniors are dog slow and may be fun for a series that we turn off the ratings and trade paint. Other than that, I think we would be bored. 

I gave the Lotus 49 (old F1 car) a try. It was ok. It makes for good replays of power slides. I feel like the front tires on the car are there for mere suggestions. I never got a good feeling for the transition from under to over-steer. It would take some getting used to in order to be fast. 

My current front runner is the Formula Rookie cars on smaller tracks. 

I'd like to try a Vintage GT A,B,C, and D run some time since the DBR1 seems to get mentioned a lot. 

Oh, man, my first choice last night almost caused a 'rage quit'; the Ford Sierra Cosworth.  No engine until 2 grand from redline, then "Smeggin' Berkeley!", tire spin and another self-induced shunt.  I don't recall the second choice, but the Radical turned out to be kinda fun, even on a course like Sugo. 

As far as the first race, suffice it to say that I suck, I need to get closer to the apex (should have sent postcards, I was so far away from a few ) and decided right then and there that this G25 dust collector should have stayed at it's post.  It, the PS4, the CronusMax+Plus and the shenanigans it took just to get back to the menus after the race, sucked all the fun out of the room.  The company was fine, I just had equipment issues.

With any luck, I'll see you next Wednesday. 

The Cosworth is a handful in the corners but the fastest Group A car in a straight line. 

Yes, it's the Aston.  

Any of those Vintage Touring and GT cars would be fun to try and maybe some Road Cars for the next week.

Here is a good visual review of the cars:

https://www.projectcarsgame.com/the-cars.html?lang=en

Yea, next week we’ll change the format so we can try a few more types. We’ll do a 20 minute practice, no qualifying, and a 10 minute race. 

First race - Vintage TC and GT cars

Second race - Road cars 

Third race - Clio Cup

I'll figure out the track in a bit. Suggestions?

I’m thinking that we’ll run Oschersleben Course A... aka Motorsports Arena... unless there are objections?

I have a new suggestion....

I just took a look through the car list and have they added more cars recently?  There seems to be a lot more road and touring as well as some vintage touring that I don’t remember seeing.  

There is scheduled to be 20-30 new DLC cars and 4-5 tracks added this first year. So, you might be seeing some of those on the list. 

Are you going to join on Wednesday?

dean1484 said:

I just took a look through the car list and have they added more cars recently?  There seems to be a lot more road and touring as well as some vintage touring that I don’t remember seeing.  

All the cars currently shown on the site are playable in the game right now.  We are expecting more to come.

Last time I looked I don’t remember the more street type cars being on the list. That is cool. 

Yes, that is why I wanted to make next week have at least a few street cars.  I don't think I have tried any of them.  I am a bit paranoid that the modern ones will be loaded with driving aids, but you can always disable that crap (I believe TC and Stability Control are both adjusted by the TC setting).

I've driven 2... the 911 GT3 and the BAC Mono.  I like both actually.  The 911 sounds much better than the racing GT3.  The BAC Mono may actually be a fun choice for our series.  It handles a bit like the Formula Rookie cars, with a lot more power.

Escort:  Surprisingly fast.  Surprisingly loose.  It does require a good amount of forethought for turns since most are bit of a minor drifting experience (Spool would love this car).   I think it would make a great intro into the older / softer cars.  Not terribly hard to drive, just a challenge to drive fast.  It does really like to be trail braked, flicked into corners, and has just the right amount of power for power oversteering through corners.

911 GT3 RS:  The stability control makes it drive just stupid (very jerky).  Turning it off makes it drive like a 911.  Fast if driven at 80%.  Super fast if driven at 95% but good luck getting around the track!  Like most other (modern) cars in PC2, it will not maintain much angle of drift.  It would take a lot of practice to get good at.  Not really a good series car contender at this point.

RENAULT CLIO CUP:  Destroys front tires.  Has pretty wild trail brake and trailing throttle oversteer!  Once you realize what it wants to do, it's pretty fun to drive and you can make it do some pretty crazy moves.  In general, an easy car to keep on the track, pretty difficult to spin (but it can happen) and good for close racing.  Not a fan of FWD in general, but I find it entertaining.  Hint for driving:  as the said in a suspension design book I once read, with a FWD car, if you start skidding just turn the wheel the way you want to go and stomp the gas!

I like the Escort a lot, at a lot of tracks I've tried it on (Sugo for example) you find yourself really wanting another gear.

Clio is my vote for the series because it's fun.

I have no usable information to share on the BMW and the Aventador. 

I think we are down to either the Formula Rookie or the Clio Cup Cars for this series. 

I think both are entertaining, both like to slide through corners (although they do it very differently), both are on the easier side of driving. 

I would enjoy the FR cars more, but the racing might be better in the Clios. 

Thoughts on those 2 cars?

Any other cars that we want to really consider for this series?

If we make a decision on the car for the next series, then next week will be a Rallycross extravaganza. 

Only other suggestion I have is to maybe try the lower end road cars. The Megane RS 275 is sort of like a faster Clio Cup that doesn't slide as much. The other 2 cars in it's class are the A1 Quattro and Evo VI which I haven't tried yet. 

So far I like the Clio Cup but could live with the Formula Rookie as well.

Apologies, I'm tied up with some things at the moment and couldn't get online.

I'm game for either one, as well as the Megane, which I fondly recall running an earlier version with the SimHQ folks in rFactor.

Ok... no new suggestions have come up, and no one is jumping out there with votes on any particular cars....

So here's how we'll figure out the next series...

Alabama wins = Formula Rookie

Georgia wins = Clio Cup

Enjoy the game.