Wagovan Anyone?

Not mine..........

http://bham.craigslist.org/cto/1517387927.html

have always been curious about these and the video floating around here lately isn't helping.

For the record: That's a Wagon, not a Wagovan. The Wagovan had vinyl seats and bars on the inside of the rear side windows.

is the wagovan the awd version? or does the wagon also come in an awd version?

This one is 2WD (per owner)

Woody wrote: For the record: That's a Wagon, not a Wagovan. The Wagovan had vinyl seats and bars on the inside of the rear side windows.

Um...what? That is indeed a wagovan. I have no clue what you're talking about - I used to have a white FWD 5-speed, my friend Danny had a blue RT4WD 6-speed, and they were identical other than the drivetrain.

It is indeed not a Wagovan.

I worked for a Honda dealer when they were new. It is a Civic Wagon. The Wagovan was a cheaper version of the same body style that was aimed at commercial buyers. The wagon had cloth interior. The Wagovan had a full vinyl interior, much like the base (4speed) Civic hatchback, though I believe the Wagovan had a 5 speed. There were also single horizontal bars about midway up the rear-most side windows. The Wagon did not have the bars and they are not in those photos.

So there were three models, Wagon, Wagovan and RT4WD. Wagons and Wagovans had the 1.5, the RT4WD got the same 1.6 as the Si.

As I recall, the Wagovan wasn't even mentioned in the brochures.

Woody wrote: It is indeed not a Wagovan. I worked for a Honda dealer when they were new. It is a Civic Wagon. The Wagovan was a cheaper version of the same body style that was aimed at commercial buyers. The wagon had cloth interior. The Wagovan had a full vinyl interior, much like the base (4speed) Civic hatchback, though I believe the Wagovan had a 5 speed. There were also single horizontal bars about midway up the rear-most side windows. The Wagon did not have the bars and they are not in those photos. So there were three models, Wagon, Wagovan and RT4WD. Wagons and Wagovans had the 1.5, the RT4WD got the same 1.6 as the Si. As I recall, the Wagovan wasn't even mentioned in the brochures.

Ahhh, that makes sense. Almost everyone uses 'wagovan' as a catch-all term for the body style these days, my mistake.

FWIW I've never seen an 'actual' wagovan then, I'm curious to see what those window bars look like.

Learned something new today.

I emailed the seller. He said it's a 2WD as mentioned above. He sent me another email about an hour later saying he would take $700 for it.

I would be very interested in it if I didn't have a project already sitting in the garage.

jwdmotorsports wrote: Learned something new today. I emailed the seller. He said it's a 2WD as mentioned above. He sent me another email about an hour later saying he would take $700 for it. I would be very interested in it if I didn't have a project already sitting in the garage.

You can hardly call yourself a Challenger if you only have one POS in your driveway..............

-Les

..........or garage.

-Les

Lately I've been thinking about how to build one of those for the challenge in a "holy crap he did what?" sort of way. I've come to the conclusion that a mid-mounted Jaguar V12, carbs, and box flares would have just the right amount of WTF-factor. Yes, these are evil thoughts.

SlickDizzy wrote: Ahhh, that makes sense. Almost everyone uses 'wagovan' as a catch-all term for the body style these days, my mistake. FWIW I've never seen an 'actual' wagovan then, I'm curious to see what those window bars look like.

Here's my theory on the confusion:

"Wagovan" is more fun to say.

More fuzzy memories are crawling back into my brain. The RT4WD had white wheels and possibly a three spoke steering wheel. The Wagon and Wagovan had silver wheels and a two spoke steering wheel.

Think of the Wagovan, Wagon and RT4WD as comparable to the base Civic, DX and Si and you'll get the idea.

There was not much to the window bars. It was just a single 3/4" tube that bisected the window horizontally. The idea was that they would prevent shifting cargo from knocking out a window.

I'm not sure if the upper two models came with a cargo cover as standard, but I know it had to be added to the Wagovan.

And I think the Wagovan had decals, whereas the others had proper emblems, which may account for some of the confusion, as the decals wouldn't survive a repaint.

I know way too much about this crap.

Jay wrote: Lately I've been thinking about how to build one of those for the challenge in a "holy crap he did what?" sort of way. I've come to the conclusion that a mid-mounted Jaguar V12, carbs, and box flares would have just the right amount of WTF-factor. Yes, these are evil thoughts.

Big WTF-factor, for sure, but those Jag V12's aren't terribly easy to get power out of cheaply, and they're not too light either.

coughLegend Type-II 6-speed drivetraincough

cough coughtwin 13b's with Kennedy bellhousing adapterscough cough

painful coughingSHO V...6....death

I've been trying to find photos of an actual Wagovan with the rear window bars and it's been nearly impossible. You can just about see them in these pictures.

fastasleep wrote: You can hardly call yourself a Challenger if you only have one POS in your driveway.............. -Les

what can I say. almost had a real POS follow me home a couple weeks ago but the guy didn't take my trade offer. so, just one project for right now.

I'm still kicking myself for not turning my free 91 Civic wagon into a $2004 Challenge car. I legitimately got it for free, but in not understanding Challenge rules at the time I thought I had to assign the car a fair market value, which didn't leave enough budget to make a difference. But a $200x budget could've let me swap in an Integra motor (2wd wagons are a Civic DX from the A-pillar forward), a trick suspension...

...or, if you're a big Canexican who refuses to pronounce: people's names, names of cars, names of movies, the word "decal," etc. correctly, you call it a "Vanowagon."

caddy 500 and elderado trans out back anyone?

donalson wrote: caddy 500 and elderado trans out back anyone?

thats exactly whats in the back of the VW in this photo :P

How do Canexicans pronounce "decal"?