1967 International COE, Small Adventure

In reply to mazdeuce - Seth :

I’m in the same boat. I believe in making my Suburban do Jeep things...

Same boat?  I think we all share the same oar.

Dirtydog, are you saying we only have one oar in the water? :-D Spinning in circles again, are we?

Funny thing is, the engine in that Scout Terra is a Nissan. 

IHC never put their own diesel in the Scout for some odd reason. 

I do like where you're headed though. 

 I find much sympathy in not being the Husband that left the wife with X kids at y age to deal with while I go off to do my own things.  (especially young.) I have to do it enough with work that I especially do not like doing it on weekends. This has meant autocrossing and HPDE's have never happened for me and I"m ok with that.  Now that the kids are getting old enough that they do not require constant attention. (4 and 2 now) I feel like I can do things like look into the Challenge next year etc. 

mazdeuce - Seth said:

In reply to Trans_Maro :

This is from later, and it's a diesel, but it's hard to look at this picture and not imagine racing DNA crossing to the big trucks. It's even harder to look at this picture, to get it crawling around in your head, and then decide to put something other than an international motor from the period in it. 

So that's where I am, factory engineer, 1966, I'm mentally ill and want to go fast in a truck. 

This, build what never was, it can be both a Dakaar truck and a hauler! you have to have some sort of bed anyway! Big ol' 345 screaming to 6k.

And to all the dads and husbands, that were dads and husbands first, and car guys second. This my friends, is called responsible adulthood, we will get our time to play, and we will get support and love in the effort, but our families come first. Always. This will lead to many more fun adventures later down the road of life, much more so than being broke, divorced and having kids that hate you. Hear Hear to all of thee! I raise a toast in thy honor!

So if you use a draw through Grand National or turbo Firebird setup will one turbo be enough or should you use two?

If two, do you run a carb for each turbo or somehow build a plenum for one carb that both turbos draw from? I have never seen either, but would like to.

What's the math on draw through turbos anyway; would one bigger one or two smaller ones put less heat into the intake? Blow through with an intercooler would be a better system in every way, but if you want 60s style you need 60s solutions.

FunkyCricket said:

And to all the dads and husbands, that were dads and husbands first, and car guys second. This my friends, is called responsible adulthood, we will get our time to play, and we will get support and love in the effort, but our families come first. Always. This will lead to many more fun adventures later down the road of life, much more so than being broke, divorced and having kids that hate you. Hear Hear to all of thee! I raise a toast in thy honor!

Interestingly, today was the first day, ever, that I've gone off to do something and left the kids home alone. Bigger than running to the store anyway. Mrs. Deuce assured me it was ok. We've paid people younger than my daughter to watch the kids in the past, and Mrs. Deuce was only 25 minutes away at work. I was sceptical, but I'm home again and they're all alive, so it appears to have worked. So when you're sitting in a chair with a baby on your chest reading this, enjoy it, someday they won't hardly miss you when you're gone for 12 hours. 

New motor in the back of the truck. This one isn't frozen. Very cool pictures of the day incoming after I make dinner. 

Or is it help Dueceling #1 make dinner??? Yea your home and the 'SMALL' adventure continues.......

Three hundred miles one way to pick up the motor. I decided I could leave at 4:30, get there at 9:30, and even with a slow load I could be back before dinner. Totally worked. The place I was headed was this:

I dealt with Dallas traffic and showed up just after 9:30. I walked into the shop, and it was cool.  A half dozen cars being worked on. Everything from an 80's Monte Carlo to a BMW Isetta.

The guy I needed to talk to was out for a drive, so I wandered around out back. Cool dead cars.

And this C-10. A bit of a hodge podge of panels.

And a bit of work to get that stance yo.

One of us?

mazdeuce - Seth said:

And this C-10. A bit of a hodge podge of panels.

And a bit of work to get that stance yo.

 

One of us?

A dirt track C-10?  If so, cool

And then the shop owner and the C-10 guy rolled down the dusty road in the truck that gave up it's drivetrain for me.

It had been the first car and ranch truck for a 16 year old. He did all the proper things, went off to college, and left the truck on the ranch, but always talked about restoring it. Dad had the means and this shop had the skills and after almost three years it's getting delivered to a family Thanksgiving tomorrow. It's perfect. Every surface. Every handle. Every gauge. Perfect. It has a fairly stock 5.3 LS and all the attached modern goodies in it now. It's a very nice truck and I was tickled to see where my engine came from.

My new engine was around back. Looks a lot like the 304. Some key differences that I'll go over later when I take it apart. Pretty much the same.

And the transmission and transfer case. It's a 727 and a 205? Maybe?

I'm not planning on using them right now, but you never know. I'll tuck them away somewhere until I decide.

This is where I got to talk to the guy who owns the C-10. It's his autocross truck. He's been running for a year in Dallas so if any of you see him there, tell him the guy who bought the IH motor says hi. He's putting a new motor in for next season and we talked about the joys of having more motor than tire. I also talked to the owner of the shop about old cars and rust and how his customers want him to replace engines in pretty much everything these days. He has a soft spot for vehicles how they were built and was happy that he didn't have to scrap the 345.

The engine turns over with a regular 3/8 ratchet until you can feel it trying to compress air in a cylinder. It moves. It compresses on at least one cylinder. I'm geeked. Once I get it unloaded I'll pull the plugs and give each cylinder a small squirt of oil and see how things feel. I know I should pull the heads and replace the valve seals and check everything out. What I want to do is put it in how it sits and see what happens. I mean, it ran when parked, what could go wrong? I do need to swap the oil pan and probably the pulleys and timing cover so that I get the oil fill that is accessible from the cab. I've got to sort out vacuum and cooling. There are a ton of plugs in the intake and block that I'm pretty sure correspond to hoses on the 304. I'll get it sorted and fired up. I'm optimistic again.

It was a good day. I got to talk to car guys, see some very cool cars, meet the truck that gave me my new motor, and bring home said motor with no real drama. I still have to pick 800lbs out of the back of the truck and bolt it to an engine stand, which isn't trivial, but I'll do that tomorrow.

optimism is all you really need.

and a few tools, a couple of bucks, and a willingness to berkeley E36 M3 up in the process. 

This will probably go quicker than the whole motor rebuild. You may make Bluebonnet season anyway. 

That's a Dana 20 transfer case on there.

Oh yeah.  Nice old 345 in IH red glory.  What year Scout?   That should be IH's 727 variation.  2 or 4 barrel?  My 1977 would bleed down the lifters, had to replace them,  got lucky, no cam damage.  I believe most everything should switch over.  It might just be a starty party soon.   Good for you.   I agree should be the Dana.

At the very least, you got a motor that can be freshened up in the traditional manner without drama.  This happened because I was sending you get-a-345-short-block-you-can-freshen-up vibes.  Then you found this motor so I completely overshot the mark.  You're welcome.

Meanwhile, Ol' Fergus can be made to run with some brake attention.  Put him on his feet and sell him on to someone who will appreciate his fine lines on a daily basis.  Throw some parts at him, clean him up, and make someone else's year.  Or keep him around for times when when you need to be Cool Retro Dad.

I love that autocross truck. The owner and I were discussing it earlier this season. It seemed to behave shockingly well with a ridiculously simple suspension. The trouble is controlling it all from a bench seat. I was thinking it would make sense to switch over to buckets, but he seemed pretty committed to the idea of a bench seat belonging in a truck and was thinking about having some way of adding lateral support.

Small world...

I love this thread for a whole bunch of reasons. Truck engines, dadding, pretty pictures, nice writing...

If you need something crazy rare or a weird IH part, my buddy's brother started hording Scouts and I believe he actually purchased a small warehouse of stuff at one point. I remember seeing OEM sheet metal and doors in original IH cardboard stacked up on a shelf.

That C10 is right outa Cousin Eddies playbook....so right on the panel mashup. Sure hope you didn't go 35w to get to gainseville .......did that six weeks ago to retreive a CMC Camaro from Clayton NM...absolutely BRUTAL. Let the heart transplant begin........calling Doctor Lemke 

In reply to RossD :

...and where is this buddy located? I've got a 65 Scout 80 that I'd love to have a tailgate for :)

As for the 345, from my understanding it's just two of my 152 plus some stroke. Or more accurately my 152 is half of the 304... Anyway my scout was a farm truck for it's whole life until it trashed it's rear axle and then  sat for 10+ years. All it took to get the 152 to start was a battery, timing, and a carb clean. Should be fun to get going.

In reply to Medchin :

Wisconsin.

In reply to mazdeuce - Seth :

That's a beaut.  I'm super glad you had a good trip up and back!  How do you plan on getting that beast moved around?

Probably not conveniently located but if you cannot find certain parts these guys might have them - http://southlandit.com/about-old-internationals/

They have a rather large collection of old IH trucks of all sizes too - http://www.curbsideclassic.com/blog/museum/best-international-collection-in-the-world-kirkham-international-motor-collection/