$2015 Challenge entry - 88 Accord LXi

Pollen sucks!! I am having trouble too, but not that much.

Gosh Honda put a lot of crap in the way of this oil pan. The exhaust won't come down below the radiator support without prying, the transmission and block are attached with an angle bracket thingie which is in the way of one 10mm bolt which holds the clutch cover plate on, which is in the way of the rear main seal on the pan.

So yeah, the pan is off. I only had an hour. It is Easter, after all. Unfortunately, they also put a neato, hard-to-see-from-the-bottom windage tray. I gave up. Not because of the windage tray, but because of this:

That may be piston rings, but it looks worse than that.

Depending on what I see when I get the pistons out, I may be looking for more engine-swap type help after all.

Unless you happen to be panning for gold, I would say that is bad.

Question is what is it that let go? Bearing shells? Looks like brass in the pictures. You run a magnet around to see what attaches itself?

Oof. That definitely looks like babbit from bearings. Ugh.

http://greenville.craigslist.org/pts/4922348768.html

not sure what honda call out that'd be...

http://greenville.craigslist.org/cto/4940085412.html see if he's interested in the ECU/wiring too?

There are literally 50 engines for that car on car-part.com for around $250.00. Buy one then sell off what you don't use from you old engine on ebay.

volvoclearinghouse wrote: Oof. That definitely looks like babbit from bearings. Ugh.

Oooh sparkly! But the bad kind. It's probably time to call this a fun learning exercise and snag a prelude engine if you can

The Prelude motors that swap straight in are the same exact engine he's pulling out. B engines are cheaper to swap than H engines, and there are plenty of B swapped 3rd gen Accords floating around should he need to pick the brain of someone that's done the swap before.

Derick Freese wrote: The Prelude motors that swap straight in are the same exact engine he's pulling out. B engines are cheaper to swap than H engines, and there are plenty of B swapped 3rd gen Accords floating around should he need to pick the brain of someone that's done the swap before.

The B swap seems prohibitive to stay under $1K because of wiring, mounts and axles. I don't know much more than the estimates from 3geez are four figures just for the swap.

I could just bolt the engine from Tunatruck in there and make an adapter plate for the Honda five speed.

That would be neat.

Derick Freese wrote: The Prelude motors that swap straight in are the same exact engine he's pulling out. B engines are cheaper to swap than H engines, and there are plenty of B swapped 3rd gen Accords floating around should he need to pick the brain of someone that's done the swap before.

The Prelude motor is the same? I'm confused... which engine was in this thing? The 2.0 or the 2.1?

In reply to Swank Force One:

A20, A series 2.0, 120 hp, fuel injected.

When I drove it is was more like 45 hp.

In reply to Swank Force One: I think the base model for the 88-91 Prelude got a SOHC 2.0, basically whatever the Accord had at the time

What i'm getting at is that the B21 out of the higher-tier Prelude should be a REALLY easy swap, with that knowledge.

Swank Force One wrote: What i'm getting at is that the B21 out of the higher-tier Prelude should be a REALLY easy swap, with that knowledge.

Where have you seen this? I am searching 3geez.com and have not seen anything like this at all.

Everything I'd ever read (all from 3geez also) pointed to the fact that nothing at all would swap in easily short of the euro/jap spec B20

If the same motor is in two cars, the higher spec motor that was in one of those shouldn't be hard to swap into the other.

There wasn't anything on v6 Proteges until the first one was done either. I will dig more.

The B20A5 and B21A1 are from the 3rd gen Prelude and don't bolt in to any other vehicles.

The 3rd gen Accord will share engine swap options with the 2nd gen Prelude, which was available overseas with a different B20A. Confusing, yes. Then there's the civic/Integra/crv B-series....again same/similar name but not same engine

With a sawzall and a welder, any swap is possible.

This car is local to me:

Mid-Engine/RWD/1988-Accord

Small block chevy swap???

This is the easy button for an engine swap: https://www.innovativemounts.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=18950

Put a stock junk yard motor in it. It is the easy answer, and if this is going to be a daily keep it "easy". Besides you need to get back to the truck build...

I'd prefer to do a rebuild on the motor that's in there. That should be the cheapest way to get a reliable motor.

Derick Freese wrote: I'd prefer to do a rebuild on the motor that's in there. That should be the cheapest way to get a reliable motor.

Unless there is a really cool and cheap swap to get some extra power, I am inclined to agree.

dont you wish this thing was carbed? you know, so that you could just swap something else in and not care about the computer throwing fits? ...

Have you run the numbers of rebuilding vs junkyard engine?