Toyman!
Toyman! MegaDork
11/5/22 1:29 p.m.

One of our members, stroker, asked a question a week or so back. It was a simple question. Has anyone here raised fish for food? It's something I've done before in a roundabout way. My father and uncles, with the help of SCDNR, raised shrimp for several years in a 3-acre saltwater impoundment at the family farm when I was in my late teens. It was fairly large scale and a lot of work, but it was sure nice to have 1000s of pounds of shrimp and fish in the family freezers. The project fell by the wayside due to busy schedules and a general loss of interest. The impoundment is still there and still has some monster size fish in it. 

Stroker's question set my brain on fire. I have had multiple aquariums over the last 50 years starting with jars full of minnows and tadpoles when I was a kid to large saltwater aquariums full of expensive fish. I like the plumbing, the water, the fish, the building, and the science of it. The thought of combining all of that with walking outside, scooping a fish out of a tank, and having dinner sounds like my kind of fun. On a small to medium scale, it might also make a good retirement business. I'm about 10 years out from retirement and I'm going to need something to occupy my days.

With that in mind, I've done a pile of research over the last week. My initial thought was aquaculture, growing just fish. More digging brought up aquaponics. Growing fish and vegetables in a balance. The fish make dirty water, the plants clean the water, and round and round it goes. 

Well, 25 years ago, I tried my hand at hydroponics and was fairly successful at it. At the time it cost more than dirt planting and my yard was too shaded and my wallet was too poor to make it work on more than a minute scale.

With all of that information, I've come up with a plan. That plan is going to be aquaculture with a small-scale aquaponics system alongside it. The aquaponics part of the system will be expanded as time goes by. 

The fish tank is going to be a 300-gallon Rubbermaid stock tank from Tractor Supply. They had them in stock and I picked one up yesterday. The moving bed biofilter is going to be made out of a 60-gallon plastic pickle drum. I picked up 5 of them last week. I have ordered 6 cubic feet of plastic bio media for the filter system. I will also be building a radial flow filter out of a pickle barrel to separate the solid fish waste out so it doesn't clog up the biofilter and the aquaponics grow beds. 

Today I spent a fair amount of time planning where to put everything. I have a small area where an above-ground pool was set up. It gets 6-8 hours of sun per day which should be plenty. I have set the tank next to a deck I had built for the pool but I'm not sure it's going to stay there. I may move it adjacent to my shop wall so I can put a greenhouse enclosure around it for next winter and keep it in operation year-round. 

I have 4 months to get this figured out and get the tanks and biofilter seasoned so they will be ready for fish by April or May. 

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More to come as the parts show up and the system gets built. 

Any suggestions are welcome. 

 

 

 

Slippery
Slippery PowerDork
11/5/22 1:49 p.m.

Following

Purple Frog (Forum Supporter)
Purple Frog (Forum Supporter) HalfDork
11/5/22 1:49 p.m.

Predators for small ponds can be a real problem.  Raccoons and herons.  Screening can help.  In some ponds I create a real deep end for the fish to flee to when they see the predator, shelters on the bottom can help also.

Real shallow water plants are great filters and nitrogen consumers.  I have set some up so the water flows through a 6"-8" shallow man-made swamp before it flows into the pond itself.

Oxygen, oxygen, oxygen...  bubblers, waterfalls, etc.

A sort of rule of thumb.  Fish size is related to the size of their environment and how crowded it gets.

Toyman!
Toyman! MegaDork
11/5/22 2:10 p.m.

In reply to Purple Frog (Forum Supporter) :

Yeah, some kind of cover is going to be required. Birds around here love fishing in a barrel. 

I'm also going to need shade in the summer to keep the fish from boiling. The more I think about it, I'm going to move the tank over to the side of the shop and put a roof over it. Then I can control the temperature better and keep the pests and birds out of it.

ShawnG
ShawnG MegaDork
11/5/22 2:46 p.m.

Following with interest. 

Stampie
Stampie MegaDork
11/5/22 3:45 p.m.

On a very much smaller scale but one of my most stable saltwater aquariums was simple spaghetti algae in the sump for keeping the water clean.  I would just cut it in half about once a month.  Pods started growing so well in the algae that my fish would sit at the returns and pick them off as they got pumped up to the tank.  Looking forward to your project.

Toyman!
Toyman! MegaDork
11/5/22 6:30 p.m.

Well, that escalated quickly. 

With the decision made to move the tank over to the shop and under a shed roof, I had the problem of 5 monstrous boxwoods that were in the way. They were hateful bushes that did nothing but provide habitat for wasps so I didn't mind them going away. 

We did some landscaping by XJ and used the winch to remove the pesky plants. They were surprisingly tenacious. Without someone in the XJ standing on the brakes, the winch would drag it forward.  

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Tomorrow I'll clean up the rest of that mess and bring in some fill and rock to level things out. 

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More to come as it happens. 

 

ProDarwin
ProDarwin MegaDork
11/5/22 7:23 p.m.

Following.  Not super interested in fish, but definitely interested in the plant side of this.

Terdwrangler
Terdwrangler
11/5/22 7:47 p.m.

I designed and built a small trout hatchery, following with interest. What are you using for bio-filter media? A teacher I know has a aquaculture class and they use plastic pop bottle lids. 

ShawnG
ShawnG MegaDork
11/5/22 7:56 p.m.

I told my neighbor that I bred tropical fish.

He asked how I did it.

I told him the hardest part was holding your breath that long.

I think it might have been the funniest thing he'd heard in a long time. 

Toyman!
Toyman! MegaDork
11/6/22 7:32 p.m.

Not much happened today. It was damn near 90 degrees and after sweating my ass off this morning cleaning up the mess from yesterday I called it quits.

More to come. 

Stampie
Stampie MegaDork
11/6/22 7:37 p.m.

In reply to Toyman! :

This is that weird part of the year that SC is hotter than NE FL.

NOHOME
NOHOME MegaDork
11/6/22 7:58 p.m.

In for the first fish fry!

RevRico
RevRico UltimaDork
1/24/23 6:23 p.m.

So any updates on this? 

Toyman!
Toyman! MegaDork
1/24/23 6:46 p.m.

In reply to RevRico :

The parts are here, warmer weather isn't. 

More will happen toward the end of February. 

RevRico
RevRico MegaDork
9/19/23 2:00 p.m.

Did you ever wind up with fish this year? 

I know there's been a lot of other stuff going on, but I've been curious.

Toyman!
Toyman! MegaDork
9/19/23 6:48 p.m.

I did not. This spring and summer were crazy busy and I never got the chance to set the system up. 

I'm hoping for next year but things sure don't seem to be slowing down. 

 

Brett_Murphy (Agent of Chaos)
Brett_Murphy (Agent of Chaos) MegaDork
9/20/23 1:38 p.m.

Glad this popped back up. I'm sill interested to see how it goes.

It also seems like Toyman! has a honey hole, those are really nice fish. 

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