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Tom_Spangler (Forum Supporter)
Tom_Spangler (Forum Supporter) UltimaDork
5/28/25 10:53 a.m.

Back when I was a wee lad in my mid-teens and was first getting into cars, I had to experience them vicariously through magazines. My folks weren't car people in particular, and I was too young to drive myself. At that time, Car and Driver was a particular favorite, and their 1985 road test compilation got read cover to cover many times. I still have it:

Just look at all the Radness!

That issue contained a review of the 1985 Ford Mustang GT, and it can only be described as a rave. C&D loved it and compared it favorably to the German cars of the time. And it had a great title page:

Since then I've owned a lot of Mustangs, including the black S197 I recently documented on this forum. But the early 4-eye Mustangs always called out to me, especially the 85-86 models with the cleaned up front end and gray interior with red piping.

Fast forward 40 years and I'm watching FB Marketplace for the right car. For me, the right car is stock or close to it, no stupid cowl induction hoods, no big-block swaps, no gutted interiors, no terrible repaints. These cars have been around a long time, have been cheap for a while, and lots of people have chosen to, uh... express their individuality with them, looks-wise.

This one was in north-central Minnesota, but claimed to be rust-free and low miles. It was moderately expensive, but if it was what it said, not overly so. Exchanged a few texts and phone calls, got a bunch of pictures, and I was sold. So, last weekend I hooked up the trailer and drove 700 miles to buy a car I hadn't seen in person. Fortunately, it was exactly as described, and the sellers couldn't have been nicer, they even gave me a care package of food for my drive home. It was a long tow, but it went great, the F-150 hybrid tows like a champ, and my homebuilt car hauler, which is almost as old as the car it was hauling, did wonderfully as it always has for the 20+ years I've had it. Here she is loaded up at the seller's house:

Next: The car itself.

Tom_Spangler (Forum Supporter)
Tom_Spangler (Forum Supporter) UltimaDork
5/28/25 11:13 a.m.

Home and unloaded:

The particulars. The car is a 1985 Mustang GT in medium canyon red, bone stock, two owners. Only 56k miles, stored winters, zero rust anywhere, including all the typical Fox body places. Underside shot:

It came with the original window sticker, a set of factory shop manuals, and extensive records from the first owner in Colorado, including a bunch of emissions certificates that date into the late 90s, and a notebook with all the oil changes and such. It runs great and doesn't even seem to have the rear main seal leak that every other 5.0 of this vintage seems to.

The interior is essentially perfect, no dash cracks, no stains or tears in the seats. It even has the OEM radio and information display:

Downsides. Well, the car has barely been driven in the last 10 years. The brakes barely work. All the rubber, including the tires, is old. The paint is faded and the hood decal is cracked.

So, the short term plan is to fix the brakes. Fortunately, you can still get cheap brake parts for these things. Calipers are like $20 on RockAuto. So I'm going to replace the calipers, the rear wheel cylinders, and all the rubber soft lines, bleed the hell out of it, and see where I stand. I'm also replacing the radiator hoses, doing a coolant flush, and replacing all the rubber fuel lines that I can reach. Then I can drive it and see where it stands with everything else. I'm also going to do a cut and buff on the paint, remove the factory hood decal, and replace it with a reproduction.

After that, I'm not sure. The car is so original part of me wants to just keep it that way, but also, Fox Mustangs just aren't that great to drive in stock form, and part of the beauty of the platform is the aftermarket possibilities. Certainly I'm not going to go crazy, this will be a street car first and foremost, but a 5-lug conversion and some LMR 17" 10-hole repro wheels are almost certain to happen. 

Oh, and since it's a T-top car (but even if it wasn't), Maximum Motorsports full-length subframe connectors are going on as soon as it's roadworthy.

Woody (Forum Supportum)
Woody (Forum Supportum) MegaDork
5/28/25 11:20 a.m.

Love this!

captainawesome
captainawesome SuperDork
5/28/25 12:30 p.m.

I had an 86 GT in that same color. Every now and again I wish I still had that car, especially since the 4 eyed variety look so great compared to the later 87 onward. Now that I know they have a 17x9 of the 10 holes... gollee I don't need another car but that would be neat.

wawazat
wawazat UltraDork
5/28/25 1:01 p.m.

Congrats Tom!  Car looks fantastic.   I agree that Fox Mustangs are not that great to drive.  I've had a bunch over the years.  I'm looking forward to see how your mods impact the cars performance.  I hope to see it this summer!

brad131a4 (Forum Supporter)
brad131a4 (Forum Supporter) HalfDork
5/28/25 3:31 p.m.

Well at least you got a 5speed. Mother in law had a 86 just like that but with the light metalic blue and autotragic option.

She sold it back in 2000 for nothing. Totally stock and low mileage for the time.

brandonsmash
brandonsmash Dork
5/28/25 4:25 p.m.

Is nobody else going to comment on the price of that magazine? $3.95 in 1985 is the better part of $12 today. That's a spendy rag! 

dj06482 (Forum Supporter)
dj06482 (Forum Supporter) UberDork
5/28/25 9:43 p.m.

Love the four-eyes! My friend in high school had a black '85 or '86 GT that I loved. I really like your plan for the car, I'm a big MM fan. Will be following closely!

clutchsmoke
clutchsmoke UberDork
5/28/25 10:19 p.m.

Those ar some seriously low miles! Nice grab!

Tom_Spangler (Forum Supporter)
Tom_Spangler (Forum Supporter) UltimaDork
5/28/25 10:31 p.m.
clutchsmoke said:

Those ar some seriously low miles! Nice grab!

Yeah, and it seems to be legit going by the records and the Carfax.

One things I need to decide is whether to put tires on it. I haven't checked the date, but I think the ones on it are pretty old. I hate to spend money on new rubber when I know I'm going to 17s, but if I need them, I need them. The other issue is finding much of anything in a 225/60R15.

Floating Doc (Forum Supporter)
Floating Doc (Forum Supporter) MegaDork
5/29/25 12:10 a.m.

Love it.

85 was a really significant year for the mustang. First year roller cam. Last year carburetor. Last year 7.5 inch rear axle. E5te heads, identical to the E7te heads that were used from 87 until the mod motors came out in 96. 
 

Not that I was paying attention or anything. 

Tom_Spangler (Forum Supporter)
Tom_Spangler (Forum Supporter) UltimaDork
5/29/25 8:42 a.m.
Floating Doc (Forum Supporter) said:

Love it.

85 was a really significant year for the mustang. First year roller cam. Last year carburetor. Last year 7.5 inch rear axle. E5te heads, identical to the E7te heads that were used from 87 until the mod motors came out in 96. 
 

Not that I was paying attention or anything. 

Yes, and I would have loved to find an 86 to get the 8.8 and more importantly, fuel injection, even though the heads are worse. But, given this car's condition, I wasn't going to be too picky. Plan is to try and find a complete rear axle from a 94-95 GT to get me the 8.8, 5-lug, and rear disks all in one go. For induction, the carb is OK for now, but eventually I'd like to do something like a Holley Sniper.

Floating Doc (Forum Supporter)
Floating Doc (Forum Supporter) MegaDork
5/29/25 8:49 a.m.

Yeah, the 86 heads were weird. No piston valve reliefs, and the valves deeply recessed into the heads. I have always wondered why they designed them like that. 
 

I agree with the five lug swap. The rear axle is a bit wider, don't know if that matters. I think any of the SN95 models up through 04 will work. 

Tom_Spangler (Forum Supporter)
Tom_Spangler (Forum Supporter) UltimaDork
5/29/25 9:25 a.m.
Floating Doc (Forum Supporter) said

I agree with the five lug swap. The rear axle is a bit wider, don't know if that matters. I think any of the SN95 models up through 04 will work. 

My very dusty memory from doing this 20+ years ago with my 89 was that the 94-95s were about 3/4" wider than the earlier Foxes, the 96-98 were a bit wider than that, and the 99-04 even wider.

dj06482 (Forum Supporter)
dj06482 (Forum Supporter) UberDork
5/29/25 9:42 a.m.

Be careful in the rain with old tires on these, I almost had a code brown moment in my '92 GT with some questionable Goodyear Gatorbacks on it.  I was gently accelerating (really!) and all of a sudden I was completely sideways.  New tires went on that week.

HotNotch
HotNotch Reader
5/29/25 11:59 a.m.

In reply to Tom_Spangler (Forum Supporter) :

94-98 are all the same width
99-04 are 3/4" wider than the 94-98

It's all in the axle shafts themselves, the housings are identical as far as I know.  I know for a fact that the Fox / SN95 housings are the same.

Tom_Spangler (Forum Supporter)
Tom_Spangler (Forum Supporter) UltimaDork
5/29/25 12:26 p.m.
HotNotch said:

In reply to Tom_Spangler (Forum Supporter) :

94-98 are all the same width
99-04 are 3/4" wider than the 94-98

It's all in the axle shafts themselves, the housings are identical as far as I know.  I know for a fact that the Fox / SN95 housings are the same.

OK, I knew it was something like that, thanks!

I want to say that the front spindles are different from the 94-95 to the later cars, though...

Floating Doc (Forum Supporter)
Floating Doc (Forum Supporter) MegaDork
5/29/25 12:27 p.m.
dj06482 (Forum Supporter) said:

Be careful in the rain with old tires on these, I almost had a code brown moment in my '92 GT with some questionable Goodyear Gatorbacks on it.  I was gently accelerating (really!) and all of a sudden I was completely sideways.  New tires went on that week.

I saw a fox body brake for a red light while doing about 25 mph on wet pavement. It slowly did a 360, then reversed rotation to rotate another one and a half times, ending up facing the opposite direction in the left turn lane. The entire spin was about walking speed. 

Police car was sitting at the cross street waiting for the green. Mustang driver was initially going to clear the light on the yellow, probably changed their mind after seeing the police car, and braked.
 

The speed they were going, stopping should have been uneventful.

I wonder how their conversation went. 
 

edit: I remember commenting to my wife, "gatorbacks" 

Tony Sestito
Tony Sestito UltimaDork
5/29/25 4:01 p.m.

YESSSSSS

Four Eyes Fox Bodies are the best! That one is mega clean, too. Can't wait to see what you do with it!

Magna_Machine_Works
Magna_Machine_Works New Reader
5/29/25 6:02 p.m.

This is amazing! Following for sure!

bmw88rider
bmw88rider PowerDork
6/4/25 3:20 p.m.

Looks great Tom. Last I heard, Cotton was enjoying the heck out of my old one. I still have a soft spot for the first performance car I ever owned. 

Cotton
Cotton PowerDork
6/4/25 11:16 p.m.
bmw88rider said:

Looks great Tom. Last I heard, Cotton was enjoying the heck out of my old one. I still have a soft spot for the first performance car I ever owned. 

Yes,  it's a blast.  I just recently did a clutch and rear main and maybe shocks and springs next.  These are such fun cars.

NOHOME
NOHOME MegaDork
6/5/25 7:00 a.m.
Tom_Spangler (Forum Supporter) said:
Floating Doc (Forum Supporter) said:

... but eventually I'd like to do something like a Holley Sniper.

No you don't.

jimbob_racing
jimbob_racing SuperDork
6/5/25 8:05 a.m.

Nice car. I'm always looking for an 86 Capri RS. They are so hard to find.

Tom_Spangler (Forum Supporter)
Tom_Spangler (Forum Supporter) UltimaDork
6/5/25 8:52 a.m.
NOHOME said:
Tom_Spangler (Forum Supporter) said:
Floating Doc (Forum Supporter) said:

... but eventually I'd like to do something like a Holley Sniper.

No you don't.

Please elaborate. I'm not a carb guy at all and would like to go FI in some way, shape or form. Tell me why I shouldn't.

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