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greggearhead
greggearhead New Reader
2/18/15 2:28 p.m.

Very clean, low miles Porsche 944. Great car, you can tell it was garaged and taken care of by a loving owner. Paint is very good, but not without nicks and dings - it's a 30 yr old car, after all. Interior is very clean and nice. Everything works like it should and the car is a treat to drive. Large sunroof (factory bag included) is great for sunny Colorado days.

These are well-balanced and under-appreciated Porsch cars that are gaining in value. Perfect chance to get one under market value. Buy this one and just drive it and sell someday for a profit, or make it into a PCA or SCCA autocross or track day toy, or whatever. NADA puts AVERAGE retail at $7,175. This car is one of the cleanest 1986 944s you will find, we just need it gone so priced it low.

Just got brand new oil cooler, oil and filter change (of course) coolant, fan temp switch, coolant flush. Tires are good, power windows, mirrors, etc. all work like they are supposed to. Hatch struts even work to open the trunk! 150hp 2.5L 4 cylinder engine is eager, and can also get great fuel economy on the interstate, and hum all day at 80mph without breaking a sweat.

There is a reason Car and Driver chose it for Top 10 car for 1986 - 1986 10Best Cars - 10Best Cars - Page 8 - Car and Driver

$4500 obo Cash talks.

Consider trades up or down of other Porshe - 911, 924 turbo, 912, 914, VW Bus, Vanagon, Eurovan, race cars, westfalia, older Mercedes, British cars, etc.

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greggearhead
greggearhead New Reader
2/18/15 2:29 p.m.

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Have the factory owners and service manual (has stamps up to about 72k miles), Blaupunkt owners manual.

Dash is CRACK FREE! Steering wheel leather is very worn, but not torn.

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markwemple
markwemple HalfDork
2/18/15 4:25 p.m.

For that money I'd want to know when the clutch and t-belt were done and what was replaced. I'd also want new or recent motor mounts. (Along with the usual stuff)

Tyler H
Tyler H SuperDork
2/19/15 10:12 a.m.

Pretty impressive that Blaupunkt had diagrams of the PCBs in their radio, and presumably replacement part #s in the manual.

Tom_Spangler
Tom_Spangler SuperDork
2/19/15 10:22 a.m.
markwemple wrote: For that money I'd want to know when the clutch and t-belt were done and what was replaced. I'd also want new or recent motor mounts. (Along with the usual stuff)

Agreed, but having said that, it's one pretty 944. Love that color.

markwemple
markwemple HalfDork
2/19/15 10:32 a.m.
Tyler H wrote: Pretty impressive that Blaupunkt had diagrams of the PCBs in their radio, and presumably replacement part #s in the manual.

Common, actually.

markwemple
markwemple HalfDork
2/19/15 10:33 a.m.
Tom_Spangler wrote:
markwemple wrote: For that money I'd want to know when the clutch and t-belt were done and what was replaced. I'd also want new or recent motor mounts. (Along with the usual stuff)
Agreed, but having said that, it's one pretty 944. Love that color.

Problem is, if you don't have the history, you can spend 3-4k bringing them up to snuff, easily.

greggearhead
greggearhead New Reader
2/19/15 10:54 a.m.

Agreed - I will be in touch with the owner to try and nail down the service history on the big ticket stuff (Clutch, t-belt).

The fact that it was taken care of so well, and has Continental accessory belts leads me to believe it would have been given whatever was needed, and at 116k, I would hope the t-belt and the clutch would have been done. We'll see - someone looking at it tomorrow morning, if they don't get it, I will post up.

Svenska94Aero
Svenska94Aero New Reader
2/21/15 10:02 a.m.

Nice looking car. I'm halfway hoping it's still available when I move to Denver in three months. GLWS.

Woody
Woody MegaDork
2/21/15 11:30 a.m.

Any idea what the paint code is for that color?

greggearhead
greggearhead New Reader
2/21/15 11:34 a.m.

Thanks - I hope it's not still available in three months! Heh.

greggearhead
greggearhead New Reader
2/21/15 11:44 a.m.
Woody wrote: Any idea what the paint code is for that color?

I don't, but will check on Monday.

Woody
Woody MegaDork
2/21/15 12:01 p.m.

In reply to greggearhead:

Thanks. I think it's on the underside of the hood.

markwemple
markwemple HalfDork
2/21/15 2:26 p.m.
greggearhead wrote: Agreed - I will be in touch with the owner to try and nail down the service history on the big ticket stuff (Clutch, t-belt). The fact that it was taken care of so well, and has Continental accessory belts leads me to believe it would have been given whatever was needed, and at 116k, I would hope the t-belt and the clutch would have been done. We'll see - someone looking at it tomorrow morning, if they don't get it, I will post up.

Don't assume anything. Also remember these engines are fragile. Really fragile. I'm a p-car nut but it takes a lot of $$ to make a good 44 motor.

All p-cars seem to be on the uptick (except 996 and later 911s and boxsters). For no valid reason. I love them, but Porsches just aren't worth what people are currently asking.

greggearhead
greggearhead New Reader
2/21/15 4:00 p.m.

I am not assuming anything, and am being as honest and straight forward as possible. Mark, I respect your opinion, but you seem to post on everyone else's threads with your opinion and piss on a lot of them like an armchair quarterback.

P-cars on the uptick? Yes, air cooled 911s are, and with good reason, but the NADA value on this particular 944 year is $5900 for low retail and $9750 for high retail. I am asking way below low retail, obviously.

Based on the cleanliness of this car vs. the others that are available for sale, I think it is a very fair price. 944's have long been known to be great drivers and track cars being so well balanced, and supported by the aftermarket, etc. So, with everything considered, I still think the price is fair. If all you have to offer is being negative about the car or the price, I would kindly ask you remove yourself from the discussion.

Woody
Woody MegaDork
2/21/15 4:04 p.m.

I think that this car is fairly priced, if not a little low.

markwemple
markwemple HalfDork
2/21/15 6:30 p.m.

In reply to greggearhead:

Not being negative. Condition of a 944 engine has a lot to do with its value. I've owned porsches for 30 years and know the pluses and minuses. History is important. If a potential buyer of a 944 doesn't know when the timing belt was changed it should be done right away. As always it's a buyer beware. I'm passing on my knowledge. If you disagree, fine, but don't dismiss advise from someone in the game for 30 years just because you disagree.

markwemple
markwemple HalfDork
2/21/15 6:34 p.m.

Oh and I've done track duty with a 944. My information is based on using one for track days. And I wouldn't have owned them if I didn't like them.

greggearhead
greggearhead New Reader
2/21/15 6:38 p.m.
markwemple wrote: In reply to greggearhead: Not being negative. Condition of a 944 engine has a lot to do with its value. I've owned porsches for 30 years and know the pluses and minuses. History is important. If a potential buyer of a 944 doesn't know when the timing belt was changed it should be done right away. As always it's a buyer beware. I'm passing on my knowledge. If you disagree, fine, but don't dismiss advise from someone in the game for 30 years just because you disagree.

Um, yeah. I've been in the Porsche game, officially since 1992. So yes, you have officially been in the game longer than me. Am I dismissing your 'knowledge' or asking people to ignore something? Absolutely not.

I too have done track days in 944s and 944 Turbos, etc. I've got a DKW I'm selling that I don't make claims about it's trackability because I don't know, but the 944's are easy in this arena.

markwemple
markwemple HalfDork
2/21/15 8:13 p.m.

Back to your car. Since you have all this 944 experience, you know the value of proof of a timing belt change with a upgraded water pump, seals, etc. along with history as to clutch, engine mounts, engine bearings, etc. If you have records of work on all the 954 maintenance issues, your price is very good. If you don't, then as a buyer, I have to assume they need to be done. That was all was addressing in the beginning. You then said you didn't know but since it has a new continental ancillary belt the other maintenance has likely been done. I can't agree with that. If you have tracked 944s, you are also aware of three mods that greatly improve their reliability on track, including a Lindsey racing sump baffle. I'm not trying to insult your car, just trying to father information that a 944 buyer would want to know.

spitfirebill
spitfirebill PowerDork
2/23/15 7:50 a.m.

Mark

Eat a Snickers bar.

markwemple
markwemple HalfDork
2/23/15 9:25 a.m.

Why is informing the public a bad thing? I simply asked about maintenance and all he could provide was an ancillary belt was conti so it's probably good. The car looks great but it may also need 4-5k in preventative/needed maintenance and that can dramatically affect the value of a 944. That's all I'm saying. That's why the prices can range from 1k to 6k for a running 944. (or more for extremely sweet ones)

On a side note if you pop a belt on one, some guys are putting Audi 5cyl. engines in them now.

greggearhead
greggearhead New Reader
2/23/15 12:40 p.m.

Ha - good laugh, Spitfire Bill.

Mark, I don't think anyone here would doubt or disagree that informing the public is a good thing, nor bringing up the t-belt and clutch importance, though I do suspect anyone on here in the market for a 944 would already know that, but still - a good thing.

I think it's more your delivery than the actual point being made.

Question is, what value does someone put on that information - up to them as a buyer. I am pursuing the PO to find info on the t-belt and clutch, so you can feel vindicated in that, if you want.

greggearhead
greggearhead New Reader
2/23/15 1:07 p.m.
Woody wrote: Any idea what the paint code is for that color?

Diamant Zweischict - I believe translates to diamond gloss?

spitfirebill
spitfirebill PowerDork
3/2/15 5:43 p.m.

Greg

Did you ever check with the PO about the timing belt and clutch?

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