KyAllroad (Jeremy)
KyAllroad (Jeremy) UltimaDork
2/12/20 7:55 a.m.

https://louisville.craigslist.org/cto/d/louisville-chrysler-awd-touring/7058997958.html

2006 300C AWD touring with a slippy transmission for just above scrap value.  What does it take to fix these slushboxes?

Robbie
Robbie MegaDork
2/12/20 8:05 a.m.

How do you know it has a hemi? These came with a lot of crap engines too - especially the awd ones.

RacetruckRon
RacetruckRon HalfDork
2/12/20 8:13 a.m.

My money is on the 3.5L, not a bad engine but the grainy photo looks like the intake loops around from the back to the driver's side.

The AWD and Hemi LX cars had a Mercedes 5 speed trans. I know nothing about that trans but assume typical Germanic complexity.

eastsideTim
eastsideTim UberDork
2/12/20 9:38 a.m.

I don’t know how expensive/complicated the transmission is to repair, but I seem to recall it is supposed to be pretty stout.  If it is failing, I’d be worried about how the rest of the car has been treated.

Cooter
Cooter UltraDork
2/12/20 2:11 p.m.

It's not a Hemi.   

Looks like a 3.5.   2.7 wasn't available with AWD (if it really is AWD).   The 3.5 isn't bad.  

MrChaos
MrChaos SuperDork
2/12/20 2:14 p.m.

The only AWD hemis are the 14 Charger R/T AWD's or the Police Pursuit's

Justjim75
Justjim75 Dork
2/12/20 3:33 p.m.

Surely one could find a wrecked or rusted hemi/rwd auto for Challenge money

Cooter
Cooter UberDork
2/12/20 3:53 p.m.

5.7 Police Chargers show up for auction for Challenge Money from time to time.

eastsideTim
eastsideTim UberDork
2/12/20 3:59 p.m.

Hasn’t someone had a salvage 300 Hemi at the last 2 challenges?

Patrick
Patrick MegaDork
2/12/20 5:18 p.m.

In reply to eastsideTim :

SDAC aka barry, pat c, and i think bill(i suck with names) have an 06ish 300 that was i think a police auction car.  

03Panther
03Panther Reader
2/12/20 10:17 p.m.

The last hemi built for automotive production use was many years ago. The modern sales gmick is a marketing ploy. The modern dodge v8's have a "normal" combustion chamber, albeit with a central spark plug. Hemi was short for hemispherical, that ( as most of y'all remember) stands for "half a sphere" . Allowed for HUGE valves in a 426 head!!!!

Just a pet peeve of mine, indicating how well marketing works.

For what it's worth, I had a 2.7 in a magnum. Still slow, but surprisingly peppy considering. 2.7 had a 4 speed at, 3.5 had the German 5 spd. Different bolt pattern than v8, but prolly similar internals. 

I do have a 2.7 4 spd. could be had for $150!  Only 147K miles still in car (wrecked) but can be hard driven.

Cooter
Cooter UberDork
2/13/20 3:55 a.m.

I'm not sure what you consider a "normal" combustion chamber, but the 426 combustion chamber was never a full "half of a sphere".



The Gen III has squish added, and allows a lighter piston but still has canted, crossflow valves, and domed combustion chamber (which allow larger vavles and better beathing).  It certainly isn't a wedge head.





BTW, Porsche 911s used Hemi combustion chambers until 1999.

dculberson
dculberson MegaDork
2/13/20 9:14 a.m.

So it's really a "semisphere" and Chrysler should use the catchphrase "Yeah, it's got a semi."

OK maybe not.

03Panther
03Panther Reader
2/13/20 5:59 p.m.

In reply to dculberson :

I like that!

03Panther
03Panther Reader
2/13/20 6:08 p.m.

In reply to Cooter :

Thanks for the pictures. They illustrate my point quite well! Shows the current combustion chamber has no relation to a hemi very clearly!

Haven't worked on enough european cars to know 911's, but it doesn't really surprise me. Cool.

Last hemi I've worked on is my ol' Shovel. 

03Panther
03Panther Reader
2/13/20 6:18 p.m.

BTW, normal was not really the appropriate word. The "new" Dodge v8's have an extremely well designed and efficient chamber. VERY cool engines. Just not related to any hemi that I know of, except in a marketing executive's mind.

Cooter
Cooter UberDork
2/13/20 7:12 p.m.

You haven't seen many combustion chambers, have you?

03Panther
03Panther Reader
2/13/20 9:59 p.m.

Very few hemi's.  But I miss your point? I've seen those two pictures before, to explain why it  IS a hemi, but its quite obvious they are no where near the same. 

No personal attack has been intended. I do have a problem with marketing executive's, but just because I'm paranoid, don't mean nobody's after me!

If you are not devolving this into a personal attack, then ignore me, as I is just some ol' hillbilly. 

Cooter
Cooter UberDork
2/14/20 12:59 p.m.

Compared to the many different combustion chambers out there, the valve layout and shape of the combustion chamber say that it is a Hemi.


Just as there are different wedge combustion chambers that don't look exactly the same.

RossD
RossD MegaDork
2/14/20 1:04 p.m.
MrChaos said:

The only AWD hemis are the 14 Charger R/T AWD's or the Police Pursuit's

Thats not true, my dad had a 2010 Charger R/T with the road and track package with awd and a hemi.

03Panther
03Panther Reader
2/15/20 5:50 a.m.

In reply to Cooter :

Compared to the many different combustion chambers out there, the valve layout and shape of the combustion chamber say that it is a Hemi.
Just as there are different wedge combustion chambers that don't look exactly the same

       So just to be clear, you are saying that they are the same cause they look the same, but its ok that they don't look the same. Makes perfect sense now. I'm so glad you took the time to explain that to me. 

Many engines had hemisphereical heads going back to the earliest days of I. C. E 's The slang became hemi because it.... Wait for it ... LOOKED like half a sphere. Notice the word looked?  

Dodge first used the name for marketing, (actually Chrysler) for the first time on its new 427, because the chambers "looked" like half a sphere. No one called a 426 a hemi because it had canted valves. And they didn't call the 426 a hemi because it had a kinda domed chamber with a pent roof that dosent resemble a half a sphere. Does that make all engines with canted valves hemi's? Even ones that don't look like half a sphere.?

No one said the new engine looked like a wedge, so I'm not sure why you insist they don't? Obviously they don't look anymore like a wedge,  than they look like a 426 hemi!  To me they look like a very well designed modern combustion chamber, but someone told me I haven't seen many,so I must not know.

Never heard that "canted valves means its a hemi" till after dodge used a marketing name on an engine that does not have combustion chambers that LOOK like half a sphere.    And fan boi's started getting butt hurt and making personal attacks behind computer screens. 

I never said there was anything wrong with the new engine. They can make nice big power, and that's always good

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