Springs
Rusty wheel arches in back
The dual cam V6 has a metal/rubber lower radiator hose and the metal part will rust out. They are a bit expensive to replace unless the aftermarket has finally started making one.
They are all over the junk yards so parts should be plentiful. I had a '00 Sable Wagon for a year and it was a super bore to drive. Lots of power from the dual cam V6 (that's where my praise stops).
Woody
MegaDork
12/10/12 6:02 p.m.
My brother in law has had two broken front coil springs. I'd avoid these cars.
pres589
SuperDork
12/10/12 6:52 p.m.
In reply to Woody:
It doesn't seem hard to find replacement springs... lots of Hondas are known for this too and people still seem to deal with it. Actually if you could find one with a broken spring or two it might be a cheap way to get into these... really cheap cars. Yay!
Vigo
SuperDork
12/10/12 7:09 p.m.
Everything has pretty much been covered but id like to offer a few clarifications based on my own opinions..
Yes, the Duratec should run forever, but it is a PITA to work on compared to a Vulcan. spark plug access, COP access vs vulcan coil pack, lots of water lines, harder to r&r trans from (and you likely WILL either way), etc. I do like the way it drives better but if i was buying a pure appliance id buy a Vulcan if i was working on it myself.
Also, as for the transmission, there is nothing increased line pressure can do about stripped/snapped pump shafts and torque converters, and those were the #1 issues i ever saw with them back when people were actually paying to fix them..
And, compared to MOST fwd vehicles, those cars are NOT easy to do trans r&r. I did it for a living for two years and the only 'common' (failure prone) fwd vehicles i liked less for r&r were northstar cadillacs. If you think a taurus is easy you will be pleasantly surprised that almost everything else is easier. They are on the hard end of the spectrum, relatively speaking.
I actually really like the late late Duratec Sables and would take one if it was offered to me for a ridiculously good price. Having said that, i would never go out of my way to find one.
andrave
HalfDork
12/11/12 9:11 a.m.
I sure do see a ton of them on craigslist with transmission problems, for cheap!
yamaha
Dork
12/11/12 9:59 a.m.
Vigo wrote:
Yes, the Duratec should run forever, but it is a PITA to work on compared to a Vulcan. spark plug access, COP access vs vulcan coil pack, lots of water lines, harder to r&r trans from (and you likely WILL either way), etc. I do like the way it drives better but if i was buying a pure appliance id buy a Vulcan if i was working on it myself.
What you're talking about with the trans might be right, the only FWD cars I've done transmissions on were a northstar caddy, 95 mtx sho, and a focus......out of those three, the taurus was easiest IMHO........However, your complaining about spark plug and COP access points out to me you never did them on a Gen 1/2 sho. Treat the duratec the same way, remove the upper intake and its easier than throwing a frozen pizza in a preheated oven....
Evidentally, I must have had the worlds only indestructible Sable.
These responses do have me reconsidering.
Back to the Buick search.
yamaha
Dork
12/11/12 3:36 p.m.
In reply to aussiesmg:
Buicks lunch transmissions at an alarming rate......more so than taurii for that matter
Vigo
SuperDork
12/11/12 7:00 p.m.
I have NEVER worked on a v6 sho. Sad to say... I just never see them as customers and havent owned one.
My point with the plug/cop access thing is that you dont HAVE to take the engine apart at all on a vulcan to do spark plugs or coils. They even put the coil pack up front and center, which is convenient because they all need them sooner or later.
I have taken a 3.4 out of a ~98 sho for a swap into something else and if you had to remove THAT plenum you would be PISSED.
I dont think the GM 4t60 breaks NEARLY as often as the ford equivalent. I actually think a w-body (iirc?) 3.8L gm fwd is one of the best cheap 'appliance' cars for a DIYer because EVERYTHING is easy and they are reliable, punchy, and surprisingly economical for their weight and displacement.
mndsm
PowerDork
12/11/12 7:07 p.m.
I had a 95 Taurus with the Vulcan, damn thing was indestructible, from an engine standpoint. Trans was on borrowed time when i sold it, front subframe was about gone, and one of the valve cover gaskets was leaky. Best damned AC on EARTH.