Apparently makes 221 ft lbs at the wheels bone stock. Color me impressed.
Apparently makes 221 ft lbs at the wheels bone stock. Color me impressed.
Ooops. I read HP, not torque. Thats comprehension LD at work. 
It's Edmunds, so I would say no to the tuning part.
Did you see the engine flex on its mounts?
That would worry me as much as the Mazdaspeed3.
In reply to DaveEstey:
184whp/221wtq and being edmunds, that would be stock.....not bad at all, its making me crave driving one. Time to chat with the dealer that has a molten orange one in stock.
"It makes more torque at the wheels than Ford claims at the flywheel."
Oh my. Ford, won't you please, pretty please, make a real LSD optional? Guaranteed sale, I promise.
In reply to Brett_Murphy:
why? It doesn't move that much.
And if it didn't move, the NVH would be pretty bad for the passengers.
jstein77 wrote: "It makes more torque at the wheels than Ford claims at the flywheel." Oh my. Ford, won't you please, pretty please, make a real LSD optional? Guaranteed sale, I promise.
You should drive one before you say that. I didn't think it needed it.
It would be interesting to autocross, but I would bet that most owners would not do that, anyway.
alfadriver wrote: In reply to Brett_Murphy: why? It doesn't move that much. And if it didn't move, the NVH would be pretty bad for the passengers.
It didn't move much under gradually applied power. What would a downshift and stomp do to it when done repeatedly? It makes me worry. Granted, I'm not an automotive engineer, and NVH isn't among my top concerns at any given time.
I guess as long as the transmission is moving in line with it the concern I have is probably unfounded. I think that was what the main problem with the Mazdaspeed3 was- the engine and transmission wound up traveling differently.
jstein77 wrote: Oh my. Ford, won't you please, pretty please, make a real LSD optional? Guaranteed sale, I promise.
Wouldn't a real LSD interfere with the fancy electronic stability control and all those other nanny gizmos? This is a serious question, because if the answer is "no" or "that can be programmed out" I'm sure the aftermarket will pitch in here.
Brett_Murphy wrote:alfadriver wrote: In reply to Brett_Murphy: why? It doesn't move that much. And if it didn't move, the NVH would be pretty bad for the passengers.It didn't move much under gradually applied power. What would a downshift and stomp do to it when done repeatedly? It makes me worry. Granted, I'm not an automotive engineer, and NVH isn't among my top concerns at any given time. I guess as long as the transmission is moving in line with it the concern I have is probably unfounded. I think that was what the main problem with the Mazdaspeed3 was- the engine and transmission wound up traveling differently.
How in the world do two big items that are firmly bolted together end up moving seperatly???? Outside of some breakage, I can't picture that.
Ford has a 212hp "Mototune" chip out overseas for ~1K that is a ton of power in such a little car.
alfadriver:
They didn't stay bolted together.
Another link to the letter:
In reply to alfadriver:
Its mazda, does there really need to be any further comment? 
It didn't move much under gradually applied power. What would a downshift and stomp do to it when done repeatedly?
The same thing it does to every other car. But this one has a warranty!
As far as im concerned engine movement is only a problem if wheelhop is a problem. Failing that they can design it to do whatever they want, within reason.
In reply to Brett_Murphy:
The link doesn't work here at work, so I'll try at home. But they dont' stay bolted to gether? Really? Someone drop a minus sign in a calculation? How do you miss that?
Brett_Murphy wrote: Did you see the engine flex on its mounts? That would worry me as much as the Mazdaspeed3.
Wasn't that much. All the FWD Hondas I've seen do the same thing.
Brett_Murphy wrote: alfadriver: They didn't stay bolted together. recall letter 1 Another link to the letter: recall letter 2
When I read the notices I think they they say a engine mount bolt fails and eventually, if you try hard enough, that will break the mount, which can allow the engine/ transmission assembly to get cockeyed enough so that a axle shaft can pull out. Bad enough but nothing about the engine and transmission losing track of each other.
Shaun, you're right. The engine and transmission stay aligned, but the transmission gets cockeyed in relation to the axle.
Reading comprehension hasn't been my strong suit lately, it seems.
Shaun wrote:Brett_Murphy wrote: alfadriver: They didn't stay bolted together. recall letter 1 Another link to the letter: recall letter 2When I read the notices I think they they say a engine mount bolt fails and eventually, if you try hard enough, that will break the mount, which can allow the engine/ transmission assembly to get cockeyed enough so that a axle shaft can pull out. Bad enough but nothing about the engine and transmission losing track of each other.
This actually for reals happened to my ms3. While I was driving. Shot axle bearings and stuff all over the place.
After driving one I'd be shocked if there isn't some sort of electronic trickery limiting power i the lower gears. I've driven turbo dodges with around 200wtq and they felt like they wanted to crawl out of their skin through the first two gears. The Fiesta is quick, but it doesn't have the violence I'd expect to feel with that kind of power.
In reply to clutchsmoke:
I remember seeing witness marks for lots of swapped hondas where the valve cover or some part of the engine was hitting the firewall from some launches.
mazdeuce wrote: After driving one I'd be shocked if there isn't some sort of electronic trickery limiting power i the lower gears. I've driven turbo dodges with around 200wtq and they felt like they wanted to crawl out of their skin through the first two gears. The Fiesta is quick, but it doesn't have the violence I'd expect to feel with that kind of power.
Isn't that what the MS3 has in first and 2nd?
The local ford place has.a red focus st and a red fiesta st out front. I want thaw fiesta so hard lol .
mazdeuce wrote: After driving one I'd be shocked if there isn't some sort of electronic trickery limiting power i the lower gears.
The Mazdaspeed3 does that. Also limits power if the steering is turned.
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