“The best-handling, best-equipped and most fun-to-drive Civic Si ever.” That’s how Honda describes its brand-new 2022 Civic Si.
Now in its 11th generation, the Si retains its only choice of a six-speed manual transmission, but now is now only available as a four-door sedan.
*ahem*
Less power. Fewer horsepower.
Thank you.
I would highly consider one if something were to happen to both my yaris and my highlander. but even then...I aint rich
Duke said:*ahem*
Less power. Fewer horsepower.
Thank you.
200<205
200 is less than 205
The hill I'll die on, but thankfully for all others, I'll be dead
The move from N/A K to 1.5 turbo and lack of 2 door completely eliminated Honda from my new car shopping list this year. The 10th and 11th gen stylings have such awkward, bloaty proportions. I think 9th gen Si was peak Honda until we have full electric Civics and they hopefully fix the styling. Gotta admit though, that interior is really nice with the horizontal grill thing and actual real KNOBS.
Less power, no hatchback, nothing exciting going on here at all. Major yawn.
Peak Honda styling happened around 1995. This car looks like they tried to have a classy, mild evolution over the previous car, which was pretty garish. I generally like the idea of one of these but I wonder about the price. Like I doubt I could get one with a sunroof for under $30k. Curious what other colors will be available. I like turbos well enough but I agree that a 2.0 K-series would be my preference.
The mpg's, both on sticker and what I assume the real-world would be, would be a nice improvement over my SX4. Same with performance. Same with NVH and general comfort. I just don't know if I want to take on a car payment again, or at least right now.
EDIT: Wait, I thought they used the hatch body for this. Why not??? They look the same! What's the point of this car?
Duke said:*ahem*
Less power. Fewer horsepower.
Thank you.
Interesting. I never thought about it. "Fewer" is used if the thing is countable, but you're not counting horsepower, you're measuring it. According to dictionary.com, "Less is used for singular mass nouns." So you could say "fewer horsepowers," but you would say "less horsepower." Since we don't pluralize horsepower, less is indeed correct, in my opinion.
https://www.dictionary.com/e/fewer-vs-less/
pres589 (djronnebaum) said:EDIT: Wait, I thought they used the hatch body for this. Why not??? They look the same! What's the point of this car?
No Si hatch for many years now. If you want a hot Civic hatch, you buy the Type-R.
You can buy a Civic Sport hatch with the 2.0 K and 6-speed, which it sounds like is what you want, so you're covered there.
I think it's great that Honda is even offering this, even if I'd also only consider it as a hatchback. I also like that you get a real helical LSD instead of the electronic ones included in most new FWD sporty cars.
I'm holding out for the Integra, which is hopefully basically this, but with a hatch.
Since I think the consensus (at least around the office) seems to be that the new Integra will be a hatchback version of the Si, this, or the next-gen Integra?
I'm not a buyer for this type of car, but I think this one looks better inside and out than the last one. But there's really no excuse for not having a liftback. This vestigial trunk seems like it would be a royal pain to load/unload:
The only reason that makes sense to me to offer this as a sedan only, is to try and upsell people to a liftback Integra
buzzboy said:Duke said:*ahem*
Less power. Fewer horsepower.
Thank you.
200<205
200 is less than 205
The hill I'll die on, but thankfully for all others, I'll be dead
You are correct, 200 is less than 205. But since "horsepower" is an incremental unit that is counted to quantify a specific amount, the correct word is fewer.
If you have a recipe for soup that calls for 8 cups of water and you only put in 6, you put in less water, but you put in fewer cups of water.
Here endeth the lesson.
In reply to Colin Wood :
Yeah, Civic Si sedan or Integra hatchback? And will they have similar drivelines?
Duke said:You are correct, 200 is less than 205. But since "horsepower" is an incremental unit that is counted to quantify a specific amount, the correct word is fewer.
If you have a recipe for soup that calls for 8 cups of water and you only put in 6, you put in less water, but you put in fewer cups of water.
Here endeth the lesson.
See my post above. You say "cups of water" - plural - so it's fewer, but you say "horsepower" - note singular - so you use less.
I've had a 2020 Civic Si sedan for over a year now and think this is a good evolution. The updates address the changes I would want on my car. More torque earlier and power doesn't drop off as fast in the 2022 up top. Also, a lighter flywheel with hopefully a sprung clutch would help with rev hang. While I would have bought a Si hatch if they had one, the sedan has been ok for my space needs. If they keep it around $25K, I think it will still be a good bargain.
In reply to pointofdeparture :
If the Sport was available with a sunroof... But you're right, that's close.
Or I cross shop to the GTI. If I actually did something, but this is probably a few years down the road.
In reply to BLRB :
$25k? The last one pushed that.
I'm betting on $26-$29k and the Type R pushing $39k.
Integra, because hatch
The few fewer horsepower isn't a bother as a proper limited slip and improved suspension geometry is a bigger part of the equation to me. If you're merely chasing horsepower, you'd be getting an N something. Honda is smart enough to know their niche is a functional, reliable drivers car, not chasing numbers in a horsepower war.
Other sources are reporting that they have indeed kept the helical LSD. So on top of the manual transmission, that's very good news.
However, I am mildly disappointed at how conservative they seem to have been with this one though. I feel like more often than not they have at least tried to move the bar a bit with each subsequent gen of the Si. So far this one sounds like the previous gen Si treatment mostly copy-and-pasted to the new gen Civic. More like a mid-cycle refresh than something 'all-new' in that regard.
Don't get me wrong, that's not to say it's bad in any way. As a standalone item I still think it's a refreshing departure from the vast majority of what else is out there, and actually rather like it... Especially in that color. But as a new generation of the Si, it also still strikes me as more heavily scripted when compared to previous generations.
Does anybody know if Honda ever fixed the 1.5T's problem with dumping large quantities of gas into the oil?
dculberson said:Duke said:You are correct, 200 is less than 205. But since "horsepower" is an incremental unit that is counted to quantify a specific amount, the correct word is fewer.
If you have a recipe for soup that calls for 8 cups of water and you only put in 6, you put in less water, but you put in fewer cups of water.
Here endeth the lesson.
See my post above. You say "cups of water" - plural - so it's fewer, but you say "horsepower" - note singular - so you use less.
I was never taught that rule, but I will look into it. Thank you for the link and information.
And apologies to Colin if I am wrong!
Really... 300rpm. Just hilarious how automotive manufacturers will attempt to put a positive spin on anything.
It makes less power, at less RPM, and the same amount of torque, the only supposedly good thing is that it comes 300 RPMs earlier. And That's not even enough to make a difference at autocross.
It sounds like there was some sort of tuning software glitch and that resulted in the change, and instead of fixing it they just went ahead and told everybody that they "improved" the engine.
I actually really like it. Hatchback would be preferred for convenience reasons, but looks-wise they are almost the same.
This + a Hondata tune and I bet it will be seeing 275hp.
Math is quantitative. English is irritative. If I understand what you meant you have succeeded in communication. Isn’t that the purpose of language.
Math is quantitative. English is irritative. If I understand what you meant you have succeeded in communication. Isn’t that the purpose of language.
Math is quantitative. English is irritative. If I understand what you meant you have succeeded in communication. Isn’t that the purpose of language.
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