50% of EV buyers switch back ICE... usually not in the same exact vehicle

This is one of the worst thread derailments that I've seen in a while. Hasn't this been hashed over about a gazillion times already?

I'm glad you all like your EV. Also those are all valid and good reasons to own an EV. But, I'm only at a gas station for 5 minutes every 2 or 3 weeks, not every day. When I park at night my car is ready to go immediately, I don't have to wait for a charge. It's only my opinion but I can't imagine them being more fun to drive than my 911. For now I'll stick to my ICE. 

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Frenchyd ?

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I'm such a dork I commented about the statistic/EV thing then forgot to comment on the Busa powered car.

We looked at doing this with the 1200 but even at 1562lbs the car is a bit heavy. The Datsun motor and trans is about 20lbs more than the Hayabusa engine.

The other issue seems to be gearing in that isn't suited to any car over about 1400lbs.

So back to the Fiat; I get the feeling this doesn't make for a great motor swap.

Apexcarver said:

The market will follow opportunities. I believe if the cars become very cheap, just needing a new battery pack, then places that refurb and replace battery packs will crop up. I've participated in dropping a few packs, in the ID 4's I was involved with, with the right tools and expertise it can be swapped in an hour or two tops.

Testing of old batteries is getting better all the time, in stream health check tech also. Also, the packs in most cases can be broken down to modules and they usually just replace an individual module rather than the whole pack if they can...

An entire battery reman industry is something I see cropping up as long as profit can be made, and I think efficiencies will be found and it will make sense. 

 

That all said, cars are being looked at more and more as disposable, like a cell phone. The parts support challenges will be around things like infotainment and other specific complex modules. 

This is a weird one. Because of failures options to repair them will pop up, but if it's common enough, the stigma of a looming large repair will drive the price of vehicle down. The market as a whole rarely makes a distinction between large repair done, and large repair not done pricing in a material way on a normal car. The average consumer just knows X car bad and avoids them as a whole, which removes the incentive to perform large repair because afterwards the values not there, which floods the market with bad examples further driving the price down.

You see it, at least used to (I don't keep up with the diesel market anymore) in the 6.0 and 6.4 fords. They are very capable once "bullet proofed" but tend to be worth only a little more than the non fixed ones, and they are both considerably cheaper than it's counterparts on the market.

If the values of the cars is low the incentive to create a repair option is also low, and the possibilities of recovering rd and many sales is also low.

The way I think about it, is a bunch of things have to happen at the right time for reasonable priced options to actually hit the market. They have to sell enough of the for a decent sized customer base, and the failures have to start happening early enough for their to be a market for a reasonable non OEM repair, and the resale values have to still be there, so you can't have enough failures to actually hurt the value substantially of the cars. We saw reman Prius batteries reasonably priced and pretty early in there life cycle, but I haven't seen similar things happen on other early EVs, mainly I seem them being worthless once they get some miles.

Tesla would probably be one to have options if they would release the stranglehold on info and parts.

84FSP said:

 I liken it to the carbs vs FI battles back in the day.

What do you mean "back in the day"?  The sentiment is still alive and well.

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But for the i3, that tire cost is a real issue. I hated that I had to replace my Tesla tires at 25K miles. Tread was still over 50%, but tire had gotten 2 punctures and couldn't get repaired again. I debated getting 1 and slicing it down to fit to keep the computer happy but decided on all 4. Have you looked at wheel swap options to be able to get cheaper tires?

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Admittedly, if I hadn't clicked on the link I wouldn't have known the awesomeness that was the original thread intent.

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The entire Tesla service manual is open to the public online. The issue I have with them is limiting Supercharger access after a salvage title, but I also understand not wanting to lose that infrastructure to a janky repair.

Opti said:

I haven't seen similar things happen on other early EVs, mainly I seem them being worthless once they get some miles.

Send me these worthless EVs. I have yet to see them. Tesla has a 120k mile warranty on the battery so that seems to keep the value up pretty well. I'd love a bargain basement model Y but they do not exist.