There's an AWD Corolla wagon about an hour or so from me and I would like some input on these. It's supposed to have a 1.6 fuel injected engine (not sure of hp) and this particular one has a manual transmission and about 170K miles on it. Potential troublespots? Parts that are model specific that might be hard to get? And how are they for just general driving in bad weather?
I had a Camry AllTrac.
Most boring car I've ever owned. Like, painfully so.
After I popped the motor rallycrossing it, it sat for about 2 years while I had myself convinced I was going to do a 3S-GTE swap.
It went to the junkyard when I had to move about six months ago and I realized that even if I did the swap, I didn't actually want that car.
integraguy wrote: There's an AWD Corolla wagon about an hour or so from me and I would like some input on these. It's supposed to have a 1.6 fuel injected engine (not sure of hp) and this particular one has a manual transmission and about 170K miles on it. Potential troublespots? Parts that are model specific that might be hard to get? And how are they for just general driving in bad weather?
Rust is really all that consistently goes wrong on those cars.
In stock form, they aren't much fun, but they'll get you through bad weather, and fit lots of stuff in them.
They are called "mini-Quattros". The AWD drivetrains are very good.
Needs POWARRRR!
Slow!
I want a corolla all-trac wagon. That would be awesome with moar turbo.
I ice raced a buddies a couple times this past season when my own car broke(not a toyota),sure there're slow but on the ice agaisn't cars it shouldn't out pace it did.Won all 6 races in it,1st time I've ever driven it too boot. Cars been used for 4 seasons and has 300,000kms on it and hasn't broken a thing yet-revs never drop below about 4800 for the entire race. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7cxH3bjqX6I
This ones a little boring at the beginning as I'm out front,ff to about 6:20 when I'm working thru traffic. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQDuM9WTtMI
hehehehe... Let me introduce you to Grunt....
my 1989 All-Trac sedan.
Back in the late 90s my wife owned an All-Trac wagon.
The wagon is a specific body unto its self (in the USA). The engine is a 4AFE, it produces about 105hp and about 85#/ft of torque.
It should drive fine, you should not feel it being awd... unless you lock the center diff
the transaxle is an E series unit, the awd center diff lock is vacuum operated
The rear axle assembly is solid, VERY similar to an AE86 rear axle
Mileage on the highway is in the upper 20s(between 27 and 30)
The biggest potential trouble spot is RUST!
A 4AGE 20V block can be fitted with a little bit grinding 
With a 4AFE the car is wonderful in the winter, I had no problems in NE Pa (Poconos) and we had it through 3 or 4 winters... before it rusted to a point I felt it was unsafe, and we sold it
They are generally solid little cars if taken care of. Just would like to point out that the 4age can fit in the car I believe and the supercharged 4agze can fit with hood clearance problems. Not perfectly sure if that is true for the alltrac. I will also point out that a turbo version of this gen corolla was at the challenge this year. Corolla WRX anyone?
sanman wrote: They are generally solid little cars if taken care of. Just would like to point out that the 4age can fit in the car I believe and the supercharged 4agze can fit with hood clearance problems. Not perfectly sure if that is true for the alltrac. I will also point out that a turbo version of this gen corolla was at the challenge this year. Corolla WRX anyone?
The stock supercharger, and the vacuum motor that is used to engage the center diff lock both sit @ the same location on the engine. But our Aussie friends have engineered a solution to that......
removing the vacuum motor, and using twin door lock motors instead 
The one I'm looking at doesn't look too rust (certainly not 20 years of NE Pa. winters rusty). I grew up not far from the Poconos, so I know rusty. I still have to get time to have the underside inspected.
I was not aware of the diff "situation, I just assumed it was similar to VW's or Volvos AWD systems.
I'm eyeing one locally that has nearly zero rust, but the dirt-lot dealer wants a lot of money for it. They're downright rare...if you want one, you'd probably better hurry.
I want it, the wife wants a Mazda2. We'll see who wins. (Probably her.)
oldeskewltoy wrote: The stock supercharger, and the vacuum motor that is used to engage the center diff lock both sit @ the same location on the engine. But our Aussie friends have engineered a solution to that...... removing the vacuum motor, and using twin door lock motors instead
Hmm, this thread is giving me bad ideas . So here is my question, is it easier to move the awd drivetrain to an ae92 gts coupe of or swap the goodies off of the gts onto an alltrac sedan?
sanman wrote: So here is my question, is it easier to move the awd drivetrain to an ae92 gts coupe of or swap the goodies off of the gts onto an alltrac sedan?
It may be possible to swap the parts to a fwd AE92 GT-S (or maybe a FX16 - AE82 chassis) but first you would have to add all the hard mounts to either...
Doing the sedan is pure devilishness... who'd think that a mild little AE9x sedan might be a bit more than it appears....
Btw... if it isn't already obvious... I'm kinda doing the 1st stages of that now... So far Grunt has been fitted with a set of Bilsteins, and the rim/tire combo has been bumped +1 to 185/60/14. I've also acquired - not yet installed a TRD bushing kit for it as well (actually the front 1/2 of the AE92 kit, and the rear half of the AE86 kit ) And I've also acquired Project Mu brakes (front AND rears) for her as well!!!!
The next stage is building a "Super Duty" 4AFE (using a 20V Silvertop block, crank, and rods, but now fitted with 4AGZE pistons - the 8.9 to 1 variety. Why the 4AGZE slugs... I get superior pistons AND a 1/2 point bump in compression , and then all I need is a SC12 supercharger... which I just happen to have , to then add low end boost
My goal - 130/130 - 130hp, and 130#/ft
I could go on, and on, and...... but here are two links that encompass all I've done so far....
Grunt - http://www.hachiroku.net/forums/showthread.php?t=20141
Grunt's Lump - http://www.alltracwagon.net/forum/m-1301874383/
oldeskewltoy wrote: Btw... if it isn't already obvious... I'm kinda doing the 1st stages of that now... So far Grunt has been fitted with a set of Bilsteins, and the rim/tire combo has been bumped +1 to 185/60/14. I've also acquired - not yet installed a TRD bushing kit for it as well (actually the front 1/2 of the AE92 kit, and the rear half of the AE86 kit
Interesting build. I have a nostalgic love for the sedan as it was my first car, while I lusted after the GTS coupe instead. Why did you choose to build up the 4afe? The stock 4agze is more powerful and later smallport 4age built for the roots supercharger should push out about 155 lbs/ft and 165hp. I think the way to go would be a later gts parts car. That way you get the smallport, the 4 wheel disc brakes, the cool front buckets, etc to swap over. God knows these cars are dirt cheap now. Throw in a kyb/eibach suspension bits, and maybe the whiteline rear sway (not sure about benefits in the awd car) and you have a hell of a little ride.
See, now I am cruising Cracklist for awd Corollas. 
I chose to keep the 4AFE, for now, because of the electronics side. The All-Trac is my DD, and when I swap in the new engine, it'll be plug and play.
And later when I want to run the boost, I can pretty much make as much power with an "F" head, as I can with a "G" head.
Tom Heath, we must be looking at the same car. It's just "a few blocks" from GRM headquarters?
This car has been on CL for over a month now, and apparently the seller is (finally?) getting sick of looking at it. Starting price the beginning of March was $2500, it's now down to $2200.
I believe I paid $2 grand for mine last year......
For the folks "advocating" a 4age swap, if this car is/was purchased, another recent CL ad has a '93 Celica with this engine swapped in. Apparently, there is only one place in the U.S. that sells a water pump for this engine. I don't know Toyota engines all that well, but assumed the 4age was the engine used in the latest gen. of the Celica GT-S or the MR2?
integraguy wrote: For the folks "advocating" a 4age swap, if this car is/was purchased, another recent CL ad has a '93 Celica with this engine swapped in. Apparently, there is only one place in the U.S. that sells a water pump for this engine. I don't know Toyota engines all that well, but assumed the 4age was the engine used in the latest gen. of the Celica GT-S or the MR2?
not sure what you mean... water pumps are available just about anywhere....
In reply to integraguy:
Yep. We got the Mazda2 instead (love it, but that's another story.) but I thought the All Trac looked pretty good. A lot of little dings and a busted doorhandle but very tempting. It seemed decent mechanically too. What did you think?
integraguy wrote: For the folks "advocating" a 4age swap, if this car is/was purchased, another recent CL ad has a '93 Celica with this engine swapped in. Apparently, there is only one place in the U.S. that sells a water pump for this engine. I don't know Toyota engines all that well, but assumed the 4age was the engine used in the latest gen. of the Celica GT-S or the MR2?
Just a brief rundown of the 4age. It came in the corolla gts and mr2 cars of the 80's and 90's. They are all 1.6 liter I-4 engines with either 16 or 20 valves and are high-revving engines similar to the Honda vtec engines. There are 5 generations of the na engine and a supercharged version (4agze). The earlier 16 valve engines are the more common ones as they were in production in US cars. The later 20 valve versions are rare and usually imported from Japan. The 1zz and 2zz engines in last of the mr2 and celica gts came later.
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