I have not bought autocross tires in 7 years. Prices are lot more now but a nice wide choice. For XP or SSM class (not sure yet) I should run something pretty aggressive on my Consulier GTP. I heard Hoosier's are great but wow they cost! Any input of what I should get?
I think you need to pick XP or SSM to make an informed choice. Unless I'm mistaken, SSM allows R-Comps, and XP is on slicks.
That said, my head has recently been spun by the rejiggering of tires in some classes, so I may be wrong.
Are SSM cars allowed in street mod street tire when on normal autox tires?
SSM cars are all two seaters and SM are four seaters, so no. However, many clubs offer a "tire" class where you can run 200utqg and up tires and get a break on the PAX handicapping system against the cars running R-comps. SSM cars run TSSM and SM cars run TSM.
JohnnyBquick wrote: I have not bought autocross tires in 7 years. Prices are lot more now but a nice wide choice. For XP or SSM class (not sure yet) I should run something pretty aggressive on my Consulier GTP. I heard Hoosier's are great but wow they cost! Any input of what I should get?
Uhhhhh, pics? 
Those cars are pretty gnarly. I've been reading great things about the Hankook R-comps from a price/durability/performance perspective, but they're not as wide as a similarly advertised with Hoosier. That being said, I'm sure a car of that weight and design could still be wicked quick on one of the latest crop of max performance street tires.
First, yes. We need pics. I have a real soft spot for these cars. Warren Mosler was a very early supporter of the magazine, and remained so for the whole time he was building cars. I've done a lot of miles on both street and track in pretty much every generation, and have a lot of great memories. And one I'll only share on my deathbed.
Not sure what generation your car is, but one of the issues we always had with the early cars especially was that they were pretty limited as to how big of a tire they could fit—especially up front. The later Raptor-era cars (with the squared-off back of the front wheel arch) were a little better, but the car was designed to be light, and at that time, tires just hadn't progressed to the point where a car that light could fully use a wide tire. So once you start going past about 225 wide on the front, you might start running in to rubbing issues.
As good as modern tires are, though, you can pretty much make the most of whatever width you can fit on there. I think ultimately if you're going to built to the rules, the car could be competitive in either class. That said, it's easier to progress from SSM to XP than it is to go the other way. I'd spend most of my time figuring out the right wheel offset and what fiberglass work might be necessary to get some wide rubber on there (255-265 or more), then pick a class. Depending on how far you want to go with it, I'd probably pick the class based on where the competition was so I alway shad a yardstick.
He has posted up pics before, it was a calender car at some point and mopar powered IIRC. 
yamaha wrote: He has posted up pics before, it was a calender car at some point and mopar powered IIRC.
Ahh yes, the pink dot Targa. I scraped the right-front lower bumper of that car on a Taco bell drive-thru once. It was not the story I was referring to earlier, though. If the car was red... hoo whee. Man, maybe someday I'll talk. Not sure if anyone would want to listen, though.
Anyhoo, you've got the good front wheel arches, so that helps a bit. Previous still applies. Figure out the biggest, stickiest tire you can fit. If you're running national events, I'd stick with companies who will have trucks at those events (BFG, Hoosier, maybe more). Having techs on site with GREATLY reduce the learning and tuning curve. Those guys are a huge resource. It's also a chance to try a variety of sizes in one place and see what works.
My best friend and I drove this first V8 Raptor Prototype to our 10th High School reunion. We pretty much blaster Slayer and Fear Factory for the entire 2.5 hour drive. That seemed appropriate. It also hit the same damn Taco Bell curb. You can still see the scuff below the turn signal on the right front.
We ran it on—of all things—the wheels from our project Neon, which were Chrysler Sebring wheels with 225s all around. Not a ton of room for more rubber—especially up front, but it could have been doable with enough research and the right offset.
Ahh yes, the pink dot Targa. I scraped the right-front lower bumper of that car on a Taco bell drive-thru once.
Glad to meet the guy that messed up my car! :) Would love to talk more privately about this and other driving the car.
I started a web site that has a lot of photos.
http://www.consuliergtp.com
I guess I need to run XP. My issue is getting the car there with race tires on it. All my autocross locations are 120 miles away or more. Was thinning of just running real good high performance street tires to the autocross and run and drive with them back. But to run in XP I'd need real autocross tires to be competitive. So that means modifying my car trailer with drop axles so I can trailer the car there.
JG Pasterjak wrote: If you're running national events, I'd stick with companies who will have trucks at those events (BFG, Hoosier, maybe more).
I remember hearing that you can't get BFG Rivals there, Tire Rack exclusive...
Oh man please please PLEASE go SSM with this thing. It'll be so awesome to see it dicing it up with Miatas, MR2s, and RX7s. DO IT DO IT DO IT.
In my other thread, were talking what class for it, they tell me it can't run SSM.
Are those tube frame cars? If so, does that automatically bump you to a Mod class?
(I'm not up on Auto-X classes)
Not tube frame. No metal frame at all.
A composite monoque chassis made of fiberglass, kevlar and carbon fiber with closed cell foam. Then has steel subframe supports for the suspension and power train.
JohnnyBquick wrote: In my other thread, were talking what class for it, they tell me it can't run SSM.
Yeah, looking at the rules, SSM is based of SP, and SP has a specific set of cars allowed. Cars not listed need to have been produced in volumes of a thousand or so, which this seems unlikely to meet.
Guess if I run XP then it needs to be a good autocross tire, not a street tire. Hoosier has always int the past been the ultimate, but always spendy. The Kumho V710 the good one now?
Hoosier is still the bomb … V710 = not as quick …. but will last quite a bit longer, same as the Hankook Z214 C71 compound ( and the 'Kook is quite a bit less $$$$
JohnnyBquick wrote: Guess if I run XP then it needs to be a good autocross tire, not a street tire. Hoosier has always int the past been the ultimate, but always spendy. The Kumho V710 the good one now?
If you're in XP and want to win, you probably need Avons.
Unless you plan to trailer the car or have a support vehicle to carry a second set of wheels and tools, you'll probably want to run street tires. Which tire may depend on what's available fitment-wise.
Check your local region - they may have a Street Tire Index class for cars that run in R-comp classes on street tires.
Keep in mind, the XP PAX is pretty high, so "competitive" relative to other cars at the event will be... tough. Personally, I'd run the car as is - or with decent street tires that you'd want for street driving anyway - for at least the first event or two to get a feel for what the competition and attitude towards XP in your region is like. There's really no point in blowing a lot of cash on R-Comps if you'll be running by yourself.
codrus HalfDork said: If you're in XP and want to win, you probably need Avons.
I've never heard of these.
Ian F UltimaDork said: - for at least the first event or two to get a feel for what the competition and attitude towards XP in your region is like. There's really no point in blowing a lot of cash on R-Comps if you'll be running by yourself.
So true. Good point.
JohnnyBquick wrote:codrus HalfDork said: If you're in XP and want to win, you probably need Avons.I've never heard of these.Ian F UltimaDork said: - for at least the first event or two to get a feel for what the competition and attitude towards XP in your region is like. There's really no point in blowing a lot of cash on R-Comps if you'll be running by yourself.So true. Good point.
I don't know a lot about Avons (I run in a local class that requires DOT tires), but the fastest cars in prepared/mod classes seem to be using them. Avon is a British tire (or perhaps I should say "tyre") company. I'm told that compared to A6s they stick better and cost more (no surprise there) but apparently actually last enough longer to average out to a lower per-run cost.
As for what tire to run, yes, if you're just having fun at local events then spending big bucks on super sticky tires is probably silly.
codrus wrote:JohnnyBquick wrote: Guess if I run XP then it needs to be a good autocross tire, not a street tire. Hoosier has always int the past been the ultimate, but always spendy. The Kumho V710 the good one now?If you're in XP and want to win, you probably need Avons.
forgot about XP being on slicks … so yeah, + 1 for Avons
I think I'll start out on my street tires, for a couple events. But will call on the Avons to check them out. I see they have sizes that should work for me.
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