Best diesel to drop in a Luxo Barge?

Greg Voth wrote: It seems like the 4bt is pretty favored and would meet the power 175hp/350tq and mileage goals which is around 25mpg.

couple points.

1. Cummins engineers refer to that engine as the the shaker for a reason.
2. to get 175 hp you will need to massage the engine a bit. Stock power in those engines is about 120hp.
3. It is a super tall engine, It might have a hard time fitting.
4. Be very careful with 4bt's many of the engines on the market were not sold as over the road engines and are not certified by the EPA. Find one with an epa tag. Frito Lay trucks are good sources.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercedes-Benz_OM602_engine

It would fit, Mercedes made a trillion of them, and it's a popular hot rod diesel option overseas.

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I just thought about this kind of swap for an MK-V I had to pass on recently. Or maybe a triton V-10...

My vote - keep the body of the lincoln, but drop it onto a bagged late model frame, drive train, etc. A modern truck is going to drive, handle, brake, etc. better than that 50 year old car. Get a late model duramax rollover and drop the lincoln onto it.

Honestly.. of everything mentioned in this thread, im for the 6.5/6.5 chevy idea, simply because if you are looking for MPG rather than power it doesnt give up a lot to the others if anything, BUT it is far, far cheaper..

The point about being able to buy an entire donor vehicle for less than some of the other MOTORS cost alone bears repeating, and point about easy/cheap OD trans is good too.

Thats my vote.

93gsxturbo wrote:

SVreX wrote: Absolutely bulletproof, EASILY modded, 500 hp + 700 lb/ft simple with just a chip, readily available, reasonably priced.

Show me a 94-98 Powerstroke that made a reliable 500+ horsepower with JUST a chip (no upgraded injectors at $1800/set, no extra high pressure oil pump, no intercooler, no exhaust work) and I will eat my hat. Hell, I would be extremely doubtful you could add JUST a chip or programmer to a 99-03.5 Powerstroke and see an honest 500 horsepower even at the crank.

You are correct. I mis-stated.

I was referencing a '99 (which includes an intercooler), and I mixed a couple of things.

I have great gains with just a chip, but that is not the maximum numbers. Maximum numbers from the same chip would need to include exhaust work. On the stock motor, it would peak at 335 hp, and 715 lb/ft WITH exhaust work. The 500 hp was a complete miss. The 700 lb/ft was an underestimate.

My setup with NO exhaust work (chip only) yields more like 320 hp and 698 lb/ft.

Honestly, the torque is much more meaningful than the hp in a diesel. Trust me, it's a kick.

I MEANT to say the motor is easily modded with just a chip, and that more power can be had with minimal additional work. Don't have any idea what I meant to say with the 500 hp.

In the last month, 3 or 4 sub $2000 running 7.3L trucks have sold on Ebay, so it CAN be done on the cheap.

HOWEVER, I am in COMPLETE agreement that the 6.2/ 6.5 would be MUCH easier from a simplicity standpoint, and cost less to build. Would do well on mileage, but would not pull down anywhere near the power.

Still love to see it stay in the family...

What part of the world are you in? I'm about to pull a wounded Powerstroke and auto trans in Dallas.

DILYSI Dave wrote: Get a late model duramax rollover and drop the lincoln onto it.

I'm totally on-board with this plan. I am a Duramax convert as of February... more powerful, quieter, smoother and way less stinky than a 7.3 or a 12v Cummins with no downside I can see thus far. Its common rail, same or better mileage and anything later than mid-04 has injectors that can be changed easily w/o pulling the covers. Skip the EGR & cats when putting it back together and anything up to 07 will get 23mpg dragging 7k lbs around.

Take the Allison 5 or 6 speed with the deal (that is where all the fuel savings comes from) and you will need the big-assed driveshaft & rear diff too because it will twist the ever-loving bejeebers out of whatever you put behind it.

Giant Purple Snorklewacker wrote: . Take the Allison 5 or 6 speed with the deal (that is where all the fuel savings comes from) and you will need the big-assed driveshaft & rear diff too because it will twist the ever-loving bejeebers out of whatever you put behind it.

Pretty sure the Lincoln of that year came with a 9 inch. Stout, or very easy to make one so.

My dissenting vote: 351W EFI crate motor w/ matching o/d auto trans. Diesels are overrated (says the guy who owns two...) unless you plan to drive the contraption a crap-load of miles. Swapping in a newer and more efficient gas motor will be much easier and cheaper in the long run.

Consider the context.. It wouldnt take much from the diesel to make it the best part of the vehicle.

However, a stockish 350ish ci n/a small block gas motor in a 5-6K lb car, would be pretty underwhelming. Just like they are in 2500-series trucks, except way worse because itd be a stockish 351 vs 400hp hemi, 400 hp 6.2gm, etc.

I saw this car in person yesterday, at the Car Craft Nationals in St. Paul - a Chevy II wagon with a twin turbo Duramax engine: http://duramaxdiesels.com/forum/showthread.php?t=23362

stuart in mn wrote: I saw this car in person yesterday, at the Car Craft Nationals in St. Paul - a Chevy II wagon with a twin turbo Duramax engine: http://duramaxdiesels.com/forum/showthread.php?t=23362

That thing made my pants all tight.

2nd pic is nice.. with FD rx7 in background.. clash of different worlds, both appealing to us.

I dont know why they decided to put such skinny tires on the newly-2-tons front end, though..

Giant Purple Snorklewacker wrote: ... with no downside I can see thus far. ...

Price.

stuart in mn wrote: I saw this car in person yesterday, at the Car Craft Nationals in St. Paul - a Chevy II wagon with a twin turbo Duramax engine: http://duramaxdiesels.com/forum/showthread.php?t=23362

Wow! I dig that!

Wish I had those kind of bucks to drop into a toy...

The best motor is the cheapest one. This one even has a built-in shed

"1993 FORD E350 VAN. VAN HAS 7.3L DIESEL ENGINE WITH AUTOMATIC TRANS. VAN HAS 362,000 MILES BUT HAVE BEEN WELL MAINTAINED. THIS WILL MAKE GREAT WORK VAN FOR CARPENTERS,PLUMBERS,MECHANICS & ETC.

$1500.00 OBO. "

Giant Purple Snorklewacker wrote: quieter, smoother and way less stinky than a 7.3 or a 12v Cummins

Your comments make me doubt your true devotion to diesels :squint:

This isn't a diesel but what about the 300ci Ford inline six backed up by an AOD?

pres589 wrote: This isn't a diesel but what about the 300ci Ford inline six backed up by an AOD?

you mean besides the fact that it would be a giant step backward? Why, not a thing!

If you were considering a Powerstroke at all, then maybe you should stay in the engine family and look for an all mechanical DT360 from a medium duty IH truck or bus? Normally I wouldn't recommend one for a car application because of weight, but I can't imagine it would weigh a lot more than a big block Ford as original in the Lincoln, and the price would be hard to beat. Probably pick up a school bus or grain truck for under a grand if you look around a bit, and in my years with busses and grain trucks it's a tough motor to beat for reliability.

Out of the diesel options I know, IF you have the hood height, I would do a Cummins. I prefer the early OBD2 24v's over the mechanical 12v's. They are stupid simple to get running with the least amount of wiring and fuel plumbing. Plus the trans option of the 47RE in the Dodge's is stupidly simple to fix if broke along with the injection side.

The Izusu Duramax would be second, but you should run the latest version, which means starting with at least an 06 model. Not cost effective to a budget. Wiring and fuel is about the same as the Cummins, but it is more involved on the electronics side.

I would do the Powerstroke as a dead freaking last option. The whole electronics on them, mostly because of the style of injection, is a PITA. I am trying to get my 97 7.3 back running, but it is a electrical nightmare to find out what is broke and why. Plus the idea of playing with 110VDC isn't high on my list. Let's not forget that the turbo is stupidly placed way high on the backside of the motor and the uppipes don't tuck up very close to the backside of the heads.

Mods.... You either pay in one way or other. Either the parts are cheap but a bitch to install or hideously expensive and butter simple to install.

Just my $0.02. Brian

For the power and torque values you want, would a motor and trans from a old Mercedes 300sd or a BMW 524td be an option? Don't know how easy it would be to up the boost on one of those.

May be pricier than the more common truck stuff, but should be much lighter/smaller (as if that's an issue considering the target application).

Mikey52_1 wrote:

pres589 wrote: This isn't a diesel but what about the 300ci Ford inline six backed up by an AOD?

you mean besides the fact that it would be a giant step backward? Why, not a thing!

If the 300/6 can pull a 5K Lb. 4x4 truck with no issues, and still get 20 Highway I dont see the problem.