Bring this here...NOW

NOHOME wrote: Remind me...whats the appeal of ANY wagon?

FYP.

Hmm I'd rather have an LS in a country squire wagon. At least that would be funny. Otherwise I'm mystified by the fast wagons thing.

pinchvalve wrote:

mndsm wrote: I don't know what's going on here, but I see many ridiculously overpowered wagons. I'll take three.

Fixed that for you.

I was trying not to be greedy.

alfadriver wrote:

NOHOME wrote: Remind me...whats the appeal of ANY wagon?

FYP.

Because some people do things that involve carrying more than a few bags of groceries.

Adrian_Thompson wrote: I get the 'can't get it here ADM YO' thing, but seriously, what does this give you that Duece's CTSV wagon doesn't? Except the fact the V looks way better than the Holden? Also, for a DD V8 over 400lb/ft give me an auto every day and twice during rush hour.

The biggest thing this would hopefully do is cost $20k less. The V wagon is expensive. Even though I love it, I would gladly shed some of the Cadillac luxury for a cheaper price. But other than that, yea, giant powerful wagons are the E36 M3.

Telsa needs to do a wagon verison of the Model S.

alfadriver wrote:

NOHOME wrote: Remind me...whats the appeal of ANY wagon?

FYP.

Alfa WTF man! Wagons rock, in many cases they look better than the sedan version of any car AND can have better aero too.

I missed that it was a Holden. Yeah, now I get it and like it a lot.

At a glance I thought it was a pimped Mazda 5

dculberson wrote:

alfadriver wrote:

NOHOME wrote: Remind me...whats the appeal of ANY wagon?

FYP.

Because some people do things that involve carrying more than a few bags of groceries.

I realize that, but there are so many other better tools out there, as I see it.

We bash to death SUV's and CUV's- which are wagons that are high up.

It's a station wagon. Ugh.

Wagons are the shiz. sleepers, look boring, carry a crap-ton and are more aerodynamic and efficient than an SUV.

I like my station wagon!

We need to get some sort of petition or our own ship and a cooperating port lol.

NOHOME wrote: I like my station wagon!

I'm still waiting for you to give it away for cheap.

captdownshift wrote: Telsa needs to do a wagon verison of the Model S.

They're almost there already : the S has optional rear facing jump seats in the hatch.

HappyAndy wrote: You can have your Holden when I get my jag XFR Estate

alfadriver wrote: I realize that, but there are so many other better tools out there, as I see it. We bash to death SUV's and CUV's- which are wagons that are high up. It's a station wagon. Ugh.

I have yet to see a better tool than a wagon for daily driving and hauling. Yes a truck will haul more but at a driving dynamics and efficiency penalty. Yes an SUV might haul more but again - you pay a price. A wagon typically gets the same gas mileage as a comparable sedan and drives the same. To me the sedan is the pointless body style.

In reply to HappyAndy:

I know and it folds away flat quite nicely.

JtspellS wrote: We need to get some sort of petition or our own ship and a cooperating port lol.

When you do this, please make sure to stop off in Japan to pick up some of these too. I like the earlier version more.

dculberson wrote:

alfadriver wrote: I realize that, but there are so many other better tools out there, as I see it. We bash to death SUV's and CUV's- which are wagons that are high up. It's a station wagon. Ugh.

I have yet to see a better tool than a wagon for daily driving and hauling. Yes a truck will haul more but at a driving dynamics and efficiency penalty. Yes an SUV *might* haul more but again - you pay a price. A wagon typically gets the same gas mileage as a comparable sedan and drives the same. To me the sedan is the pointless body style.

This. X1000.

The only thing better than hauling stuff than a wagon is a minivan and they don't make those using performance-oriented rwd/awd underpinnings.

Bobzilla wrote:

chili_head wrote:

Ian F wrote: In reply to chili_head: You won't find many Audi fans here, but you will find many who bow to the alter of Ellis Juan.

I get that, but I loved mine. Let the hate flow. More rings for me and those like me.

I think the Audi's are gorgeous. HAnds down the best looking german car out there. No way in hell I'd own one... but damn they're nice to look at!

Pretty much. I see variations of the Audi 5 every day and lust after one, but my past experience with Audi makes me leary.

Of course, chili_head drives a MINI, so he's used to punishment.

I've been involved with MINIs since 2003, so I know them well

Matt B wrote: This. X1000. The only thing better than hauling stuff than a wagon is a minivan and they don't make those using performance-oriented rwd/awd underpinnings.

Yup. Which is why I own a wagon and a minivan (although the minivan will eventually be replaced by a full-sized van)

The aspect that really annoys me is that Holden and Ford in Australia have both announced that the big RWD platforms (Commodore and Falcon) will be killed off very soon, citing lack of demand, and the supposedly high price of manufacture of a RWD platform. OK, that may well be the case (as an aside, I fail to understand why a RWD platform inherently costs more than a FWD - don't they just need a slightly beefier rear sub-frame and a drive shaft?). So why not market them properly elsewhere in the world? Both platforms could be a great competitor to the RWD European models in North America. Car enthusiasts, who appreciate the difference between this and the horrible-ness that is a car like the last Impala or the Taurus, will purchase them. Not to mention that the Camaro is built on the very same platform as the wagon above - so when it comes time to replacing the Camaro, they'll have to invest in new chassis development costs anyway. Instead, we're stuck with horrible FWD platforms, that just can't compete with European models. I just don't get it.

In reply to edwardh80:

There are a number of reasons, but a coupel of the big ones:

FWD cars are inherently easier/cheaper to put together on an assembly line because the drivetrain and front suspension is installed quickly as a complete unit.

Simple quantities of scale and the need to sell X number of cars to make the platform viable. A few years of X-1 number of cars sold makes continuing the platform difficult.

I want a sports wagon for my next set of wheels,I have 2 SUV's and really need that extra space for bringing crap home/taking crap from home but like mentioned the penalty of driving an SUV is a little too much. I need awd here though,I can't afford/justify new and used audi's and bmw's scare me so not sure what other choices I'll have when ready.

Station wagons are great for those of us with (normal size or bigger) dogs. I'm not going to stick my dogs in the trunk.

Are any of the hot rod Volvos reliable? I'm thinking V70R or something like that.