BRZ STi but no TRD FR-S ?

kanaric wrote: They are selling at levels Mitsubishi was in the 90s right now.

Exactly. They stop trying to cater to everyone like Toyota and Honda, and their sales improve.

My sincere hope is that they sell a trd griffon version. http://www.speedhunters.com/2013/02/trd-griffon-concept-the-ultimate-tuned-eight-six/trd-griffon-01/

kanaric wrote: The only STI with a large jump in power like what people want here was the old WRX.

you consider 15-20hp a "large jump in power" ?

irish44j wrote:

kanaric wrote: The only STI with a large jump in power like what people want here was the old WRX.

you consider 15-20hp a "large jump in power" ?

I think that's why he said "old WRX" when the difference was ~225 to 300.

z31maniac wrote:

irish44j wrote:

kanaric wrote: The only STI with a large jump in power like what people want here was the old WRX.

you consider 15-20hp a "large jump in power" ?

I think that's why he said "old WRX" when the difference was ~225 to 300.

good point, didn't even notice that :P

I still feel the Genesis 2.0 Coupe R-spec is a hell of a lot more car for the same or less money

Caleb wrote: I still feel the Genesis 2.0 Coupe R-spec is a hell of a lot more car for the same or less money

I would if didn't have a 2.0L turbo that weighs as much as a 'Vette.

Caleb wrote: I still feel the Genesis 2.0 Coupe R-spec is a hell of a lot more car for the same or less money

It's a lot heavier than the BRZ and not as nimble

But you can get the Genesis with 6-pot front/4-pot rear brakes.

My problem with the Genessis [Coupe] is that it feels to me like it is trying to be a budget G35/37 coupe, but got lost halfway and went down the boy-racer road. In the end, it half-assed both of them--not particularly boy-racerish, and not luxurious either. I wonder if a second generation could figure it out, but I kinda doubt it.

Just thinking out loud but this should be the BRZ STi!

Flat 6 from the Outback swapped in + 250ish hp/lbft

also sounds pretty awesome http://instagram.com/p/ckr-XEtuSp/#

DanyloS wrote: Just thinking out loud but this should be the BRZ STi! Flat 6 from the Outback swapped in + 250ish hp/lbft also sounds pretty awesome http://instagram.com/p/ckr-XEtuSp/#

I wonder how involved that swap would be, the modern suby 6 cylinders are pretty solid engines and surprisingly cheap.

Honestly, most of the time I see a turbo 4, I think "why not just throw a 6 in there"? I know that the 4 will get somewhat better gas mileage and be a bit lighter, but I'm a big one for simplicity.

kreb wrote: Honestly, most of the time I see a turbo 4, I think "why not just throw a 6 in there"? I know that the 4 will get somewhat better gas mileage and be a bit lighter, but I'm a big one for simplicity.

Well.... and a proper turbo 4 will oftentimes outperform a 6 anyways.

In reply to Swank Force One: I know, and upgrades to turbos come cheaper than upgrades to NA motors. I understand the factories reasoning. It's more of a personal thing. Must be my getting old!

kreb wrote: In reply to Swank Force One: I know, and upgrades to turbos come cheaper than upgrades to NA motors. I understand the factories reasoning. It's more of a personal thing. Must be my getting old!

Heh, it's cool. I prefer the best of both worlds. Turbo 6s.

z31maniac wrote:

Caleb wrote: I still feel the Genesis 2.0 Coupe R-spec is a hell of a lot more car for the same or less money

I would if didn't have a 2.0L turbo that weighs as much as a 'Vette.

My buddy has one with only a tune on it (soon to be moar boosts, turboback exhaust). It is FAST, fun, and get's 6.5L/100kms on the highway. He averages around 8.5 and drives like he's 18. Best performance bargain out there, period. Yea, it's a little heavy, but it's a lot more refined then a AE86 so I guess tradeoffs are a bitch.

HiTempguy wrote:

z31maniac wrote:

Caleb wrote: I still feel the Genesis 2.0 Coupe R-spec is a hell of a lot more car for the same or less money

I would if didn't have a 2.0L turbo that weighs as much as a 'Vette.

My buddy has one with only a tune on it (soon to be moar boosts, turboback exhaust). It is FAST, fun, and get's 6.5L/100kms on the highway. He averages around 8.5 and drives like he's 18. Best performance bargain out there, period. Yea, it's a little heavy, but it's a lot more refined then a AE86 so I guess tradeoffs are a bitch.

I'd argue the Coyote Mustangs are the best $$/value at the moment. I paid $30,500 for my GT with the Track Pack which includes Brembo's and a Torsen.

I usually wait until everyone gives up on these type of cars then I scoop one cheap and build it then. I can build you a ridiculous ae86 for that type of money or a 77 celica liftback maybe even a 1uz powered one <img src="#//s1148.photobucket.com/user/thehumanrace/media/december2011312.jpg.html][/URL]" /> <img src="#//s1148.photobucket.com/user/thehumanrace/media/december2011316.jpg.html][/URL]" />

Swank Force One wrote: Heh, it's cool. I prefer the best of both worlds. Turbo 6s.

I thought the best of both worlds was N/A four. None of the weight and none of the lag.

Seriously, I got to drive a 2.5RS that probably makes as much power as my RX-7 and weighs a little bit less. It was.... fun. Never had to be careful with throttle modulation in an AWD before.

N/A is the expensive way to go slow.

Tortoise and hare, my good man. N/A you get to drive your car, turbo you get to work on it a lot. A broken car is a very slow thing indeed.

(That said, I shan't think of how many transmissions that 2.5RS has gone through. Apparently you can easily break Subaru transmissions even with a 12:1 EJ25)

Ask me how unreliable my $900 turbo car has been as an obscenely powerful daily driver for the last 4 years.

Uh-huh. You just haven't met the Boost Monster yet. The Boost Monster lives in a dark place in your soul and sustains itself with head gaskets, piston ring lands, connecting rods, transmissions, axles, and differentials.

I see plenty of people who've met the Boost Monster. It tends to be very well fed. Fortunately, once you get to the 1500-2000hp range, the problem becomes traction more than anything else, and even as low as 1000hp you can get something bulletproof relatively inexpensively. But 1000hp is just a little tickle, once you're used to what it feels like, and then you want more.

Swank Force One wrote: Ask me how unreliable my $900 turbo car has been as an obscenely powerful daily driver for the last 4 years.

Turbo + street car = easy to be reliable

Now bring that car, as it sits, to the track and see if lasts 2 hours of getting the snot beat out of it. And can do it most of the time.