MyMiatas said:
In reply to Lof8 - Andy :"I'm excited for the new yellow 914 to arrive and drive one for my first time."
So now you will have two 914's? A black one and a yellow one? That is impressive that you have a 911 motor for a "Let's rebuild a Porsche motor " adventure. :0)
Yes, I do have a 2nd 914 on the way. The black one needs rust repair that I'm not interested in doing.
I'll need to research Porsche engine rebuild costs more before I commit. I hear they're silly expensive, while a Honda k motor can be had for about $1000.
The transmission with the big ears on the back is 914, but I suspect a tailshift which is not desirable. The 73 and newer had a sideshift which is much better and only slightly frustrating. The other cases in that pic are not 914, probably 901 or 915 from a 911.
You are looking at a lot of work and money. Try to find an old guy in his 60s or 70s to come by and ID that stuff. There could be better support on the 914 forum, not sure where it is but more BTDT on 6 conversions for sure.
porschenut said:
You are looking at a lot of work and money. Try to find an old guy in his 60s or 70s to come by and ID that stuff. There could be better support on the 914 forum, not sure where it is but more BTDT on 6 conversions for sure.
The more I read, the more costly the project feels. I am certain my Dad's intent was to just drop this engine in the car without a rebuild. That could potentially work, but who knows what issues would arise or how long it would go before a failure. My goals with the car are a unique cruiser with an old school euro rat rod vibe - not something that justifies $10k or more of engine work. Hopefully the runner 914 I recently purchased has some life left in its 80hp lump and doesn't feel crushingly anemic and I can ignore engine swap ideas for a long time. A honda k20 would be far cheaper, more unique in a 914, more powerful and reliable.
This is the car I have shipping down from NY:
These are some cool photos I've hunted down:
A 1.7 with a single weber will be pretty weak. The long intake allows fuel to drop out of the air causing problems. A set of big bores would help alot. So would 2 one barrel carbs. Next up is a 2.0 as they have more stroke, better heads and bigger pistons. Or just put a glasspack on the stock engine so it sounds fast. BTDT
I think a bigger issue will be soft brakes and sloppy shifting. These cars can be frustrating but with a little time and money can be a lot of fun. You will learn quickly about smooth inputs in corners. Miss mine dearly.
Have you seen this pic? Pretty nice looking! :0)
Might be AI created but still.....
Everything I've ever read about Porsche engine rebuilds scares me off from ever taking that step.
I love the look of the black car - meaning flared fenders and black Fuchs. The yellow car would look just as good with those 2 items. Put whatever engine in it that you want/like.
Here's some inspiration. Jeff Zwart is a very well known guy in the Porsche world.
http://www.speedhunters.com/2011/11/car_spotlight_gt_gt_jeff_zwarts_porsche_914_6/
dyintorace said:
Here's some inspiration. Jeff Zwart is a very well known guy in the Porsche world.
http://www.speedhunters.com/2011/11/car_spotlight_gt_gt_jeff_zwarts_porsche_914_6/
Beautiful car! Yellow car will def get the flares and Fuchs (I think they're reps). If they are reps, I'm going to spray them all black. I'm not a big fan of the silver lips.
Wow! I'm thinking these 6 cylinder parts could be sold to fund most of this project car...
You're not kidding.
I love the 901 motor. Fortunate enough to have one. Love love love it. But the amount of money in them is just silly anymore.
A third path to consider perhaps: do you really need to do a rich-guy rebuild on the one you have? For a car that'll get a few thousand miles per year? That 2.4 might be clapped out, but if not, maybe freshen it up some and just run it. Before they got to be $tupid money regular enthusiasts used to rebuild their own. Wayne @ Pelican has a good rebuild book.
paddygarcia said:
You're not kidding.
I love the 901 motor. Fortunate enough to have one. Love love love it. But the amount of money in them is just silly anymore.
A third path to consider perhaps: do you really need to do a rich-guy rebuild on the one you have? For a car that'll get a few thousand miles per year? That 2.4 might be clapped out, but if not, maybe freshen it up some and just run it. Before they got to be $tupid money regular enthusiasts used to rebuild their own. Wayne @ Pelican has a good rebuild book.
I've definitely considered that option. The beautiful sound would be the main reason I'd do it, because the power increase is pretty minimal. I think there is better bang-for-the-buck in a Honda K-swap with a Boxster S transaxle.
Solid logic, sounds like fun!
I picked up a 2.7 911S motor before they were stupid expensive. A buddy of mine is building a real 914/6 and has found a guy local here in the DC area that rebuilds the motors and transmissions and is reasonable. I'll be calling him to get an estimate to go through my 2.7 as it is in great shape and could probably be run as is, but will have it upgraded to the Carrera oil tensioners and at a minimum have it resealed. I can let you know how reasonable the guy is price wise. He has been doing this his whole life and is retired now and working out of his home shop which has many machine tools, so knows what he is doing.
This is going in my 72 914 but that will be a few years from now.
If your dad has a complete 2.4 engine, 914/6 oil tank, headers, transmissions, 916/6 motor mounts, etc... you can indeed sell all of that, probably worth 10K for all of it, even with the rough engine. Someone will pick it up. The engines rebuilt are 20K all day long.
Lof8 - Andy said:
paddygarcia said:
You're not kidding.
I love the 901 motor. Fortunate enough to have one. Love love love it. But the amount of money in them is just silly anymore.
A third path to consider perhaps: do you really need to do a rich-guy rebuild on the one you have? For a car that'll get a few thousand miles per year? That 2.4 might be clapped out, but if not, maybe freshen it up some and just run it. Before they got to be $tupid money regular enthusiasts used to rebuild their own. Wayne @ Pelican has a good rebuild book.
I've definitely considered that option. The beautiful sound would be the main reason I'd do it, because the power increase is pretty minimal. I think there is better bang-for-the-buck in a Honda K-swap with a Boxster S transaxle.
Here is the deal with 914's and 914/6 clones especially. They are one of the few cars that you can actually restore and not loose your shirt if you can find all the right pieces and do the work yourself. If you do a non-porsche engine swap, like a SBC or K Series, you will likely find that the car is worth less than 20K, even if it is a really nice conversion. But if you do a nice job on a 914 and especially if you have a real 911 engine in it, they sell for big bucks. Poor ones sell in the 30K range or more and nice restored examples can sell for 80K or more. Much of the value is that running 911 engines are a large percentage of the overall cost.
I purchased my 72 914 cheap, it is very rust free and has sat in a garage since the early 80's. Between the car, 930 turbo Fuch 7 and 8 inch wheels, steel flares, 911S engine, motor mounts, 914/6 oil tank, 914/6 headers and custom exhaust, 911 SC front suspension, 911 SC rear brakes and hubs and a bunch of other stuff I am forgetting, I still have less than 20K in the car so far. I will do the bodywork and paint, restore the suspension and drive train and do the interior and that will be another 20K. But when I am done, I'll have a completely restored 914/6 M471 clone for less than 40K total, which will be worth easily double my investment. As much as I love engine swaps, this is worth my time and investment. And I agree, it is worth all the effort just to listen to that engine sound!
In reply to dherr (Forum Supporter) :
I hear ya. And I've seen some beautiful and expensive 914-6s in my years at the track and internet researching. However, I'm not interested in doing a pristine restoration/build. I've owned a couple "perfect" cars and honestly I didn't enjoy them much. I also don't care to spend time doing bodywork, paint, or making things perfect. I want to build a low budget rat. If the Porsche engines were remotely affordable, I'd consider using one, but they aren't. I'm gonna build what I want without concern for it being an investment. But I do appreciate the perspective. 
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I'd like to see someone put an SVX engine in a 914. Everyone should build what they want but a Honda engine in a Porsche doesn't sound appealing to me one bit. Still better than sitting in the garage broken though of course.
In reply to Lof8 - Andy :
I get that too. I guess after years of constantly losing on car projects, I have finally stopped building cars just for fun and now build them for their value as well as the "fun" factor. Nothing wrong with your approach, you will have a fun car to play with and that ultimately is a winner. Totally agree that the $$$$ you will need to do that 911 engine, can be converted to cash to pay for putting pretty much anything you want in the car. I took a look at the k24 in my shop tonight next to the 911 engine and that would be pretty easy to work on in the 914 engine bay. K series would need many of the k power pieces to convert to north/south assuming you are keeping the Porsche transaxle.
It pains me to part ways with this stuff, but I suppose my next step is trying to get a good price for it. Is eBay my best bet? If I make a Facebook post, what forums should I share it to? 914 world, what else?
pic from the "run on the stand" setup
Don't rush to sell. Do your research and know what you have. Aircooled Porsche parts are all worth something. I've seen just engines, trans, wheels, carbs and seats on BAT.
If you go over to Pelicanparts or Rennlist both have forums with for sale sections specific to these cars. I wouldn't post about it until you have done some scrolling and looked at similar sales. Those are also the places I'd list and sell first because that's where you'll get the most views. You can look on FB for some other prices but then you have to deal with FB...
If that engine runs I'd guess you could sell it for a couple of thousand. I haven't seen a transmission for sale for less than $1000 in awhile. If the Zeniths are complete they are going to bring some coin.
I have a 3.2 in my 911 and I had the bottom end rebuilt a few years ago. I took the fuel injection, exhaust and everything else I could off. But machine work, new camshafts, and the Porsche hourly rate were killer. I paid more for the rebuild than I paid for the car 20+ years ago.
The market for air cooled 911 stuff is still crazy.
https://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-911-used-parts-sale-wanted/1152132-1969-911t-engine.html
This isn't you is it?
There's a 912 engine and trans on there for $7500. Just do your research first.
There you go. If that one needs a top end and yours is a runner you could probably add a couple extra thousand.
I didn't look long, and could find any recent Zenith carb sales, but I know they have good resale.
Just going to chime in here not having any knowledge on the engines in question.
I have seen a 2.2 lt 911T engine for sale in a dune buggy. Asking price is 9k and it can be heard running before pulling.
