Canyon diesel

kb58 wrote: Regardless of engine, keep in mind that some places (U-Haul for one) only rent trailers if it'll be pulled by a full-size truck. Not an issue if you own one but a PITA if you need it only occasionally.

Uhaul has no such requirement. I've rented trailers (including car trailers) from them with the Jeep before and they didn't complain. They do use their own idea of a tow rating though, so they'll limit you far more than the manufacturer. IIRC, Uhaul says my Jeep can tow a bit over 4000 lbs (they don't like the tow vehicle to weigh less than the trailer), Chrysler says 6500. Of course, Uhaul doesn't need to know about the time I put a 4200lb Jeep on their 2200 lb trailer behind my Jeep...

I think the thing that has impressed me the most, besides the fantastic infotainment/radio cluster is how quietly it cruises down the road and highway. Did I mention it has an integrated trailer brake controller and factory exhaust brake?

Here we go again. Not everyone wants a full size truck, hence the appeal of midsize trucks, regardless of the mileage and price. You're just going to go in circles with this arguement. Every month I see more of these midsize GM twins on the road, so people are buying these trucks.

Just to be clear, the only reason i pushed that angle was to satirize the whole argument we get here over and over.

I own 3 vehicles with truck beds and the biggest one is a single cab 88 chevy 1500, or in other words much smaller than a new 4dr Colorado/Canyon. The other two weigh about 2400lbs each (much MUCH smaller). I recently posted several pics of towing cars with my Lexus. So i am not a pusher of big trucks, but I do want to hold all of them to the highest mpg standard, and since there IS a full size truck out there that can break 30mpg, i don't feel particularly bad pointing it out when others do worse with smaller engines and less weight/payload/tow rating etc etc. Just because i want midsize trucks to be better than they are doesn't mean i prefer full sizes.

Dietcoke wrote: I think the thing that has impressed me the most, besides the fantastic infotainment/radio cluster is how quietly it cruises down the road and highway. Did I mention it has an integrated trailer brake controller and factory exhaust brake?

Exhaust brakes are the bomb. Love mine. I have a greater tendency to descend mountain passes with a big trailer than most truck owners, and it's so nice to just drop a gear and let the engine purr all the way down without having to touch the brakes.

Keith Tanner wrote:

Dietcoke wrote: I think the thing that has impressed me the most, besides the fantastic infotainment/radio cluster is how quietly it cruises down the road and highway. Did I mention it has an integrated trailer brake controller and factory exhaust brake?

Exhaust brakes are the bomb. Love mine. I have a greater tendency to descend mountain passes with a big trailer than most truck owners, and it's so nice to just drop a gear and let the engine purr all the way down without having to touch the brakes.

Agreed. It's always kinda annoyed me that most diesel pickups didn't come with one for the longest time. They target the diesel for heavy towing, yet most have less engine braking than the gas trucks (and the same size service brakes).

rslifkin wrote:

kb58 wrote: Regardless of engine, keep in mind that some places (U-Haul for one) only rent trailers if it'll be pulled by a full-size truck.

Uhaul has no such requirement.

Fair enough, but that rule must have changed then. I borrowed a buddy's mid-size Ram truck to tow a 600-lb Mini shell but they refused because it wasn't full-size.

Vigo said: At least for the time being you can get a midsize truck with decent mpg that's only as big as full size trucks were 20 years ago for a nice change of pace.

QFT! The full sized trucks from the eighties and earlier look like minis compared to thr giant whales being sold as"1/2 ton trucks" today. GM, Toyota and RAM especially. The F150, Titan don't look as huge, but park an old F150 next to one and the truth comes out.