Challenge Tires Question.

If I buy a car for the challenge but I intend to drive it between now and the challenge and take it to a couple autocrosses do I have to count the cost of tires into the budget if the tires that are on it wear out.

Or, can I replace them with comparable tires without having to count them towards the budget.

Whatever is on the car at the time is what you put against your budget. So if you have budget to grab a fresh set when challenge time comes, that's what you put towards your budget.

As for purchasing new ones and using them, and taking off money from your budget when you get to the challenge because "they're half worn out, i get a 50% discount, right?" i'm not sure that would fly.

93celicaGT2 wrote: As for purchasing new ones and using them, and taking off money from your budget when you get to the challenge because "they're half worn out, i get a 50% discount, right?" i'm not sure that would fly.

it's been done, but probably never claimed as such. i asked about it several years ago and was referred to the "can't buy / sell / buy parts to depreciate them for the challenge budget" rule.

93celicaGT2 wrote: Whatever is on the car at the time is what you put against your budget. So if you have budget to grab a fresh set when challenge time comes, that's what you put towards your budget.

Wait a minute. That wasn't clear.

Whatever is on the car at the time you purchase it is what is included in your budget purchase price.

In other words, $300 crappy car with crappy tires, you are welcome to swap equally crappy tires at no charge to your budget. $500 car that happened to come with a decent set of street tires, you can replace them with a decent set of street tires at no cost to your budget. If you put different tires on it then what you bought, you must charge the budget the cost of the tires (regardless of what that cost is). You can sell the decent street tires that came with it, to the limits of the recoup rule.

So if you bought a car with decent street rubber, drove it 'till they were worn out, you can replace them with equal decent street rubber like you started with.

Race cast-offs are cheap.

SVreX wrote:

93celicaGT2 wrote: Whatever is on the car at the time is what you put against your budget. So if you have budget to grab a fresh set when challenge time comes, that's what you put towards your budget.

Wait a minute. That wasn't clear. Whatever is on the car at the time you purchase it is what is included in your budget purchase price. In other words, $300 crappy car with crappy tires, you are welcome to swap equally crappy tires at no charge to your budget. $500 car that happened to come with a decent set of street tires, you can replace them with a decent set of street tires at no cost to your budget. If you put different tires on it then what you bought, you must charge the budget the cost of the tires (regardless of what that cost is). You can sell the decent street tires that came with it, to the limits of the recoup rule. So if you bought a car with decent street rubber, drove it 'till they were worn out, you can replace them with equal decent street rubber like you started with. Race cast-offs are cheap.

That's not clear to me, either... :(

Because then what's to say that the car came with worn out say.... Kuhmo ASXs. And then you put on some near-worn-out RT615s on them. They're both street tires, but hardly equivalent.

If that's what goes, then that's what goes.

I was just trying to put my logical thought process on "paper."

Rex -

I'm guessing you're thinking of the rules regarding "Past Challenge Cars:"

Tires and brake pads on a past Challenge car, if they are worn out, can be replaced up to the value at which they were originally listed for the previous Challenge (i.e., $200 tires can be replaced with up to $200 tires).

I would assume the intent of this rule is to say "You wore out the $200 tires you had in the budget, at the event, over the following year, or both, therefore, you can replace $200 tires with another $200 set of tires without taking a $400 hit to your budget."

...but I've been wrong before.

not in this case poop, makes sense to me.

teh bear hath spoken.

So if you blow up a $500 motor at the Challenge does that mean you can replace it with another $500 motor and bring it back next year without adding another $500 to the budget?

Yeah, I thought if you were daily-drivering the thing then wear items could be replaced with similar parts for the challenge. So if you buy a car with regular ol' cheap brake pads, drive it for 10k miles until the pads are worn metal to metal, then replace the pads with regular ol' cheap brake pads then that wasn't in the budget. Similar with tires and other wear items...as long as you replace it with regular parts (not serving any performance gain) I understood that this wasn't included in the budget. After all, that's the spirit of the event, otherwise it would discourage actually using the car outside of the challenge lest you wear out some parts.

Bryce

Buy any set of wheels and tires that you want and put the ones that came with the car away until the Challenge. If you are going to Daily drive the car and race it, you are going to want 2 sets of wheels anyway. You can spend as much as you want on the second set, because the money you spend comes only out of your personal budget, not your Challenge budget. After the Challenge you can put good race rubber on which ever wheels you choose.

So, if I interpret correctly, if I buy a car with brand new tires and they wear out between now and the challenge I have to count the cost of the exact same brand new tires in my challenge budget?

Please confirm.

nope

jwdmotorsports wrote: So, if I interpret correctly, if I buy a car with brand new tires and they wear out between now and the challenge I have to count the cost of the exact same brand new tires in my challenge budget? Please confirm.

Wrong. Here are a few different situations, maybe that will help.

You buy a Yugo for $500 that has brand new tires on it. You drive the car day in and day out and wear those tires down to nothing in six months, doing zero other work. The week before the challenge you put brand new tires on it that are just like the ones it had on it when you bought the car. The budget is $500.

You buy a Yugo for $500 that has tires with barely any tread left. You run two autocrosses and limp them along, doing zero work to the car. The week before the challenge you put on brand new RT615s on it for $200. The budget is $700.

You buy a Yugo for $500 that has tires with barely and tread left. You run two autocrosses and limp them along, doing zero work to the car. The week before the challenge you put on brand new tires that are the same brand as the worn out tires for $150. The budget is $650.

Bryce