Cherokee vs. Tahoe

No, the WIFE has a truck, I have a non-running V5 vette.

Out of the two choices, XJ Cherokee or Tahue, I would pick 4Runner. Cherokee is a good capable SUV, but everything it does, a 4Runner does better (including rust), IMO. And the XJ interior is right out of the 1950s or something, I always hated it.

The XJ is only superior to a 4Runner if you're looking to do hardcore off-roading, thanks to the solid front axle with discos that has more flex/travel.

btw, I've owned both.

True story: I was driving home one day in a short bed 2wd 4cyl S-10 with a Yamaha QT50 in the back (same one in my profile). A guy pulled up next to me in a giant 4x4 truck with a Harley in the back of it. He's looking down at me and my vehicles (literally) with a mocking grin on his face, so I looked up at him and yelled "I have a giant penis!". The look on his face was pretty hilarious.

irish44j wrote: Out of the two choices, XJ Cherokee or Tahue, I would pick 4Runner. Cherokee is a good capable SUV, but everything it does, a 4Runner does better (including rust), IMO. And the XJ interior is right out of the 1950s or something, I always hated it. The XJ is only superior to a 4Runner if you're looking to do hardcore off-roading, thanks to the solid front axle with discos that has more flex/travel. btw, I've owned both.

A 4Runner is superior to most trucks for most purposes. Get a solid-axle model and it'll be better for hardcore offroading too.

:rofl: miata owner vs vette owner..........kinda sad really.

16vCorey wrote:

Cotton wrote: As far as reliability...some of you guys must be on crack or something. Both my burbs have been extremely reliable. The 91 blew a head gasket at 303k and the 89 is solid as an anvil with 180k. The Cherokee has around 180k. I would put them on par with each other from a reliability standpoint.

Those are totally different animals. The old TBI engines and 700R4 or TH350 transmissions are pretty damn tough. The vortec 350 and the 4L60E are not. At all. In fact, they're kinda E36 M3ty. Oh, and if you've got one with the auto 4wd option, the transfer cases, transfer case shift motors, and the transfer case control modules all die if you look at them funny. I sell WAY too many parts expensive for them to ever consider buying one.

No, they are not "totally different animals". Yes, the Vortec motor was a large (5 steps forward) vs the TBI motor, but you are crazy. The 5.7L vortec practically redefined how a modern day truck motor should be, compared to the terribly lackluster offerings from Ford and Dodge at the time.

Yes, the auto 4wd option was garbage. But your definition of expensive and mine is apparently different. After putting 200,000kms on a truck, to have to replace $1k in parts does not strike me as extreme. It is a known weakpoint that once FIXED is not a weakpoint any more.

Bobzilla wrote: No, the WIFE has a truck, I have a non-running V5 vette.

I just realized fun things about vette, small weenie, and not functioning.

Towing a monte ss with the cherokee is not a good idea.

Ill second that.. Ive towed up to the low 4000s lbs with a cherokee, several times, and it's downright dangerous. I would not recommend towing that with a cherokee. The reason ive ended up towing so many things with a cherokee in the first place is because the cherokee was always running well enough to tow. That is a KIND of praise, but it isn't praise for its towing ability..

Why would you compare a Cherokee vs a Tahoe? Wouldn't that be a GRAND CHEROKEE vs a Tahoe??

No? Why would you compare EITHER ONE to a tahoe? They're in completely different size classes. The cherokee and grand cherokee are basically the same size compared to the tahoe.

Also a 5.7L vortec 4x4 Tahoe is the bees-knees. The 4L60E is a great transmission, except for when they haven't been cared for.

BS. I guess we finally found a fan of the intake spider.. And a 90s 4l60e will break the sun shell for NO REASON. It DOES NOT MATTER what kind of care you took with it. The only way you end up with a reliable 1990s 4l60 is because by now they've all broken twice and been rebuilt with updated parts. On the other hand, as 16vcorey alluded to, you can buy a used cherokee transmission with a warranty for almost nothing. Why? No demand.. they dont break. And used ones are almost guaranteed to be good.

And if you are in the US, a 4L60E can be built for bulletproof towing $1500 or less, including removal and install.

If you do it yourself....

yamaha wrote: :rofl: miata owner vs vette owner..........kinda sad really.

Don't you have a Taurus to drive or something?

I owned a Grand Cherokee back in the day, and I say Tahoe. It was purchased new by my father and I bought it from him. it was great up to about 70k miles, and then it was a total POS. In the last 30k miles it had 2 transmissions, 7 fuel pumps, heads, 2 AC compressors, and the hassle of pieces simply falling off, especially interior pieces. Never abused or off roaded in any way. In fact, it still looked new at 100k miles. You simply couldn't keep it running without a constant supply of parts and labor.

The 4 liter was OK, but it was not a great tow vehicle. I bought it to tow my ITA MR2 at the time, and after one trip, I never used it for that again. The Tahoe, and a Suburban would be even better, is light years better for towing, and is superior to the Jeep in most ways.

Given the choice, I'd pick a 4 Runner as stated above, but if I had to tow, get a truck or a full sized van.

92CelicaHalfTrac wrote:

yamaha wrote: :rofl: miata owner vs vette owner..........kinda sad really.

Don't you have a Taurus TO GO FIX OR REPAIR DAILY or something?

Fixed that for you.

A Grand Cherokee is a different animal than an XJ. They weren't built as well, and a lot of trim parts did simply fall off. They'd still get you home every time, unless you had the V8.

If you want to tow anything more than a Harbor Freight 4x8 trailer with stuff you just don't want to put in the back, buy a bigger vehicle. My brother's '97 328i towed better than my XJ did.

I’d pass on both and get an Explorer.

I bought my wife a new one nine years ago and after 150,000 miles, the only thing it has needed was a new O2 sensor. Its 4.0L V6 with a 5 Speed auto has averaged 18.7 mpg with mostly city driving and only needs 87 octane.

As a personal matter of principle, I can’t buy from a company that received bailout money so I’m very grateful Ford is around to offer a competent alternative.

.... We're talking about used vehicles. The Cherokee hasn't been around for quite some time.

Two solid axles, a lever activated transfercase, coils/leaf spring on the XJ.

If off-roading is in your future, it's XJ all the way. Sooo many options from prerunner to rockcrawler and bone stock there are very few vehicles that could touch it.

Plus, they make great daily drivers, can be found stripped or loaded with options, engine is super easy to work on and manuals are out there.

The only drawback I ever found was rear shock upper mount wierdness and that is very minor.

92CelicaHalfTrac wrote: .... We're talking about used vehicles. The Cherokee hasn't been around for quite some time.

Yeah, but Explorers have been around a long time, too. The V8 version tows pretty well, too.

RX Reven' wrote: As a personal matter of principle, I can’t buy from a company that received bailout money so I’m very grateful Ford is around to offer a competent alternative.

So you're one of those people that thinks Ford Motor Credit's government bailout didn't count?

Tom_Spangler wrote:

92CelicaHalfTrac wrote: .... We're talking about used vehicles. The Cherokee hasn't been around for quite some time.

Yeah, but Explorers have been around a long time, too. The V8 version tows pretty well, too.

Well, the point was that obviously we're talking about used cars, and buying a decade+ old car doesn't really support ANY manufacturer.

Javelin wrote:

RX Reven' wrote: As a personal matter of principle, I can’t buy from a company that received bailout money so I’m very grateful Ford is around to offer a competent alternative.

So you're one of those people that thinks Ford Motor Credit's government bailout didn't count?

Heh, right. And that buying a 20 year old Jeep is somehow supporting Chrysler.

I owned a Grand Cherokee back in the day, and I say Tahoe. It was purchased new by my father and I bought it from him. it was great up to about 70k miles, and then it was a total POS. In the last 30k miles it had 2 transmissions, 7 fuel pumps, heads, 2 AC compressors, and the hassle of pieces simply falling off, especially interior pieces. Never abused or off roaded in any way. In fact, it still looked new at 100k miles. You simply couldn't keep it running without a constant supply of parts and labor.

There's a reason so many people around here talks about Cherokees and NOONE talks about Grand Cherokees..

I would pick 4Runner. Cherokee is a good capable SUV, but everything it does, a 4Runner does better

Try low buy-in, acceleration, and never having to replace timing components ever..

92CelicaHalfTrac wrote:

Javelin wrote:

RX Reven' wrote: As a personal matter of principle, I can’t buy from a company that received bailout money so I’m very grateful Ford is around to offer a competent alternative.

So you're one of those people that thinks Ford Motor Credit's government bailout didn't count?

Heh, right. And that buying a 20 year old Jeep is somehow supporting Chrysler.

Javelin:

Absolutely…Ford took money from the Fed to keep credit moving just like McDonald’s, General Electric, and many others did. This is fundamentally different than showing blatant favoritism to specific companies as a reward for their workers predominately voting along your party line.

92CelicaHalfTrac:

Sure it does…there’s an old axiom about a guy walking out of a taxidermist carrying a stuffed Spotted Owl and being accosted by a bunch of tree huggers. He yells, wait, wait, I didn’t kill this Owl. It was already killed, stuffed, and put on sale before I came along; all I did was buy it. To which one of the members in the mob replied, you’re right, you didn’t kill that Owl but you most certainly did kill the next one.

Anyway, I’m sorry for causing this thread to go OT CGLockRacer…I thought saying “as a personal matter of principle” would suffice to prevent this but obviously I was wrong.

Vigo wrote:

I owned a Grand Cherokee back in the day, and I say Tahoe. It was purchased new by my father and I bought it from him. it was great up to about 70k miles, and then it was a total POS. In the last 30k miles it had 2 transmissions, 7 fuel pumps, heads, 2 AC compressors, and the hassle of pieces simply falling off, especially interior pieces. Never abused or off roaded in any way. In fact, it still looked new at 100k miles. You simply couldn't keep it running without a constant supply of parts and labor.

There's a reason so many people around here talks about Cherokees and NOONE talks about Grand Cherokees..

I would pick 4Runner. Cherokee is a good capable SUV, but everything it does, a 4Runner does better

Try low buy-in, acceleration, and never having to replace timing components ever..

not that you're wrong on any of those, but for the sake of argument:

"low buy in" doesn't qualify as "doing it better." By that criteria a Corolla is superior to a Z06.....

acceleration I'll give you, assuming we're talking about the 4cyl 4Runner vs the XJ. XJ will not beat a v8 4runner.....or more recent V6 4Runners, for that matter.

3rd one....sure, if we're counting scheduled maintenance items. But many other things on the XJ will go bad far before they will on a 4Runner.

Well, i don't understand, but you're right, i shouldnt have taken the proverbial bait. My apologies, carry on.

irish44j wrote: 3rd one....sure, if we're counting scheduled maintenance items. But many other things on the XJ will go bad far before they will on a 4Runner.

not in my experience with the newer XJs (non renix). Although I've noticed most 4 runner,well Toyota owners in general (I've owned 6), seem to hold them in a higher regard than is justified by reality. That always bugged me when owning mine.

"low buy in" doesn't qualify as "doing it better." By that criteria a Corolla is superior to a Z06.....

The OP is talking about cherokees based primarily on price, and im making an educated guess that he means ~$2500.

The only kind of 4runners you can get for $2500 are 3.0 and 3.4, if you can even get ANY for that price.

4.0 and 4.7 are SO FAR outside of that price range it's silly to even bring them up. imo

But many other things on the XJ will go bad far before they will on a 4Runner.

Sure, but you can fix a Cherokee out of a junkyard for $15 for years to come, and by the time a 4.7 4runner hits $2500 we'll all be driving fuel cell cars and not care.