Trackmouse wrote: Stupid to even ask. Do it. If someone whines, slap em upside the head and tell them to stop being a vagina. The children at events are too young to know what Marlboro is anyways. If they are teenagers, they are already doing it. No reason to cater to the cowards of this modern generation. This Gen won't be able to claw out of a wet paper sack.
I couldn't agree with you more. Classic liverys featuring Marlboro, JPS and Rothmans shouldn't be put overwritten because
So we can't have tobacco or booze sponsors on the car, but porn and male enhancement pills are ok? I don't care who sponsors you, just want more cars on the track.
Hey, racing is a man's game. Ladies join, and are totally welcome. But the fact is, it's a man's game, boys need not apply. Unless they want to be men. Then they are welcome to grab a seat and watch daddy smoke a cigar while pounding down a six pack.
You know brothel sponsors would likely mean umbrella girls at every race as a former of networking and further promotion
Think of how many kids wanted to become terrorists after seeing an F1 race.
As historical representations I find it ok. On current cars racing in a modern series, not so much. But I also don't care for the re-writing of history on this point. For example, I race slot cars as a hobby. When I buy a slot car that is modeled after a historic racer the car evidently is not allowed to carry the "correct" livery form the era it was raced because of the use of cigarettes that sponsored the real car.
Cigarettes are not cool. It's not a case of seeing the advertisement on the vehicle will cause someone to start smoking it's just that it's dirty money. Tobacco products have probably killed more people on this planet than any other single product in the history of the world. Do we want or need that kind of sponsorship?
Having said that, Cigarette sponsorship has been so integral in racing over the years it's hard to separate the two. My favorite WRC years were watching the 555 Subaru car. And as others have said, I didn't even know that 555 was a cigarette company as they didn't sell that brand in the States. I learned years later. So in a weird sort of way the old and vintage stuff gets a pass to be historically accurate.
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Feedyurhed wrote: Cigarettes are not cool.
Well, no, cigarettes ARE cool, that's the only reason to do it.
Then when you get old enough that you don't care about if it's cool anymore, you're hooked.
Doesn't bother me at all.
I can agree with that too. I don't smoke. Never have. And I get really angry when some jark hole blows smoke in me or my wife's face. I mean, it comes to blows if they don't apologize.
So should we ban it at the track? If the livery isn't allowed, why is the action allowed? How many people are going to stop attending events if you ban smoking???
The wussification of America continues, gathering speed.
Please, someone explain to me how racing livery makes a person smoke.
Do they send the representatives to your house and force you to smoke at gunpoint?
Good grief, let the grownups make their own life decision.
Come on people, let's be adults and take responsibility for our own actions.
I bet coke, McDonald's,Pepsi and whatever fat food kills more people than smokes do. Let's ban that. And let's quit calling it the sprint cup, because texting and driving is bad.
Trans_Maro wrote: Please, someone explain to me how racing livery makes a person smoke.
Because children are waterheads who will be compelled to imitate anything they see or do. Remember the people who banned tobacco on Racecars also put labels on music and tried to ban video games for the same reason.
Wally wrote:Trans_Maro wrote: Please, someone explain to me how racing livery makes a person smoke.Because children are waterheads who will be compelled to imitate anything they see or do. Remember the people who banned tobacco on Racecars also put labels on music and tried to ban video games for the same reason.
And look at how mal adjusted you are for not having the labels. Clearly that's why we needed them.
Also, excellent used of water heads.
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In reply to mndsm:
I've been waiting on the shoe to drop on Sprint as the title sponsor. Heck they had to put a rule in place to ban drivers from having their cell phones in the car after Brad Keslowski's tweets during the black flag caused by JPM at Daytona (note, no tweeting was done while the vehicle was being operated)
I kind of feel like all this "for the children" nonsense is really for the parents, so they won't have to answer the questions from their kids about subjects they don't approve of. And, by not answering said questions or explaining anything of substance to their children the parents then create children that reach adulthood not actually understanding anything beyond what Google can tell them.
Smoking is legal, cigarettes are legal, plaster their advertising everywhere and I'll deal with raising my own kids.
oldopelguy wrote: I kind of feel like all this "for the children" nonsense is really for the parents, so they won't have to answer the questions from their kids about subjects they don't approve of. And, by not answering said questions or explaining anything of substance to their children the parents then create children that reach adulthood not actually understanding anything beyond what Google can tell them. Smoking is legal, cigarettes are legal, plaster their advertising everywhere and I'll deal with raising my own kids.
You mean you actually want to parent your own kids? Who does that anymore?
Cripe. The things I learn here. I never knew that Rothmans were cigarettes.
In reply to noddaz: How else could they afford to put their name on everything.
In reply to noddaz:
Rothmans made me not want to smoke. True story.
I used to buy Players Lights from my buddy at school in the smoke pit. I never knew that those things were about the closest thing to smoking air.
One day I got it in my head to steal a couple of dad's smokes. The old man smoked Rothmans Blue.
Holy god, I thought I was going to die. One good drag on that thing and I thought I was going to hack up a lung. I was good and sick from trying to "man up" and finish the damn thing.
Put me off cigarettes pretty much forever.
Now I enjoy a good Cuban cigar about once a month but that's it. Bolivar no.2 please. Partagas would be a close second.
Shawn
Trackmouse wrote: Stupid to even ask. Do it. If someone whines, slap em upside the head and tell them to stop being a vagina. The children at events are too young to know what Marlboro is anyways. If they are teenagers, they are already doing it. No reason to cater to the cowards of this modern generation. This Gen won't be able to claw out of a wet paper sack.
Strongly disagree. It's not a "for the children" problem or that people are somehow scared of cigarettes. It's that it's dirty money, and cancer is very uncool.
Feedyurhed wrote: Cigarettes are not cool. It's not a case of seeing the advertisement on the vehicle will cause someone to start smoking it's just that it's dirty money. Tobacco products have probably killed more people on this planet than any other single product in the history of the world. Do we want or need that kind of sponsorship?
+1 for this.
Sure cancer sucks and smoking is a nasty addiction. But it's a choice to smoke. Never in my life has anyone forced me to smoke, or drink, or shoot heroin. I'm in charge of what I ingest. Me, not advertisers.
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